I was told by the akc today that an am. Staff is there perfected version of the apbt. They said it is a apbt but the difference is that apbt can be 20-100lbs and various colors and what they did is put specifics on the weight,height,and color of an apbt and that is there Am.Staff. She actually said it is the "perfected version of the apbt" which I am not interested in because they do not except red noses which all of mine are.
No, I would definitely not call it the perfected version of the APBT. Maybe what they are saying (but in a very snooty way!) is that they are less varied in appearance than the APBT. There can be such differences in the way a pit bull looks, like gamebred vs UKC. I don't think Amstaffs vary as much as that. Though I could be wrong...
I don't have a pit, but I'm going to respond anyway. Why did the AKC put these restrictions on the APBT to turn it into the "Am Staff"? Do these restrictions make the dogs better workers and better pets? Are they healthier? If so, then yes, the Am Staff is a perfected version of the APBT. If no, then the AKC has not improved APBTs. In fact, if these restrictions make the dogs worse workers/pets and more unhealthy because breeders are putting aestetics ahead of working ability, tempermant, and health, then the AKC has created a worse version of the APBT. Consistency in appearance doesn't make the breed "better."
ok here is why I am asking a man would like to use my stud for his female and his female is akc registered under Am.Staff. Ukc said they will except the papers and do the inspection and register him as apbt under ukc I just thought the two were different breeds so when the man told me this I called for myself to see.So I guess what I am saying is the pups will be ukc registered under apbt but some people will see my bloodlines on the pedigree and think I am cross breeding Am. Staffs and apbt and possibly not want pups from my bloodline. Do you think or am I just a little off.(lol)
Proto I agree and that is why I dont understand. I also dont know who they think they are to proclaime the perfectness in the dog.I think they just didnt want to be associated with the apbt because of the whole bad rap thing going on and this was there way around it. They will not except red noses or all white, or blue and some others I dont remember the list of non exceptance. I also dont understand how that goes when a litter is registered because they dont know what the matured height and weight will be it can be verry different than the parents so i am confused onthere way of thinking
I found this link. Check out near the bottom of the page they have APBT or Amstaff. http://www.badrap.org/rescue/breed.cfm If you haven't seen it yet, I think you'll love that whole site. It's one of my favorites! :-) Think very long and hard before you decide to breed anyhow. I looked in the newspaper in my town and there was about a zillion ads for pit bulls, more than for all other breeds combined. It made me sad.
Thank you so much shinyBP that mentioned the exact thing I was talking about the dual register with akc and ukc (for the mans female) So it is just what ever you as an individual wants to except as them being different or the same. Do you think people will think negative about this when it comes time for me to have puppys as far as the pedigree for his puppys having my bloodline and being considered Am. Staff. ?
Are you planning on keeping a pup and putting it into your breeding program? If not, then your stud dog is basically donating sperm to someone else's line, and his donation won't affect your line. If you do want one of the pups to add to your line, then you have a few issues to consider. The pups will be registered as UKC APBTs and will have all of the UKC privileges, so people looking for a pet probably wouldn't care about the dog's AKC affiliation. However, someone looking for a working dog might be concerned about how the Staffie is affecting the working ability of your line. However, if you put working titles on the pup you're going to keep, I don't think having a Staffie in the line would be a big deal. I should point out that I don't know what I'm talking about and am just trying to make a logical guess.
Thanks for your logical guess they do make sence and no I am not keeping a pup from him. I have not decided to let him use my stud yet or not. I told him I would like vet records and I would also like to see the enviroment the pups will be born into and also i want to discuss the homes he will be allowing the pups to go to.I will make a decision next week after my boyfriend and I talk it over and the man lets me see the things I asked for.
Hi there, I own a show Am. Staff from one of the top lines in America. All I can say is there is a difference in some pits and Am. Staffs depending on what size and and proportion the breeder is looking for. The standard in AKC is almost the same as the UKC, but UKC will not fault a dog who is under or over as long as they can still function or work properly. I perfer the tight consistency seen in AKC Vs. UKC. When you have a high variety and don't pay attention to comfirmational flaws such as: out elbows, roach backs, over/under angulation, head type, etc. you can end up with health and type issues. Hip/ elbow problems, skin problems (dogs that lack pigment (white), early arthritis, bad teeth placment. These problems are all reduced when you breed responsibly and to a standard. AKC has opened up the reg. 2 I think for APBT to become Amstaff if they fit the standard. I have seen a 28 inch giant pit bull come in for grooming reg. ADBA, but have also seen them as small as 14 inches. Now this is to big of a difference to breed, but the sad truth is that some people dont care to improve the overall confirmation of what the are producing when there really is no set standard. As for having AmStaff in the blood it should not effect you at all. As Am Staffs have the same bull dog features and sometimes have a very consistent background which could help a person looking to improve their comfimation in their line. Also their temperments are exceptional (not saying that pits dont have good ones) I myself am going to be dual registering my male soon. Even though Reds, livers, tris, and whites arent excepted in AKC Shows you can still end up with them in litters and Register them AKC. I hope to see this change in the future, as I am a big fan on red nose green eyed pits, but for now those puppies that are really nice can go to great UKC show homes. Well although I am no expert I hope this helps and good luck with the breeding if you decide to do it.