http://www.blueknightlabs.com/color/coatcolor.html This is the link that explains color coats on labs. If I recall correctly, silver labs are considered a "dilute" chocolate. They can be registered by the AKC because their parents are purebred, but the silver color is not actually recognized. This is from the AKC- The registry of the American Kennel Club is based on parentage and not the coat color of a member of any breed. In 1987 the AKC, in cooperation with the Labrador Retriever Club of America, conducted an inquiry into the breeding of litters that contained members that were registered as silver. An AKC representative was sent to observe these dogs. The report and color photographs of these dogs were reviewed by then AKC staff and representatives of the Labrador Retriever Club of America. Both parties were satisfied at that time there was no reason to doubt that the dogs were purebred Labrador Retrievers, however they felt that the dogs were incorrectly registered as silver. Since the breed standard at that time describes chocolate as ranging in shade from sedge to chocolate, it was felt that the dogs could more accurately be described as chocolate rather than silver. This remains the current policy of the American Kennel Club. In reference to exhibiting Labrador Retrievers of this color, The Standard also states that dogs of " any color of combination of colors other than black, yellow, or chocolate as described in the breed standard" are to be disqualified. It is up to the judge in the ring to determine whether, in his or her opinion, a Labrador's coat color meets the qualifications as defined in the Breed Standard. (see guys....I AM learning!)
huntersmom - we don't have those stores here but we have similar ones....I'll check them out for postings. Great idea! Smooshie - thanks for the links. I live in Tennessee. I am not going to buy from this breeder.......the 5 week thing worries me too. Hopefully I can find something at the link to the North Carolina breeder that Smooshie posted. I swear, I have never seen a more beautiful dog. I don't care if they are crossed, don't care if they are AKC or not, and don't want them to breed. I just want a pair of play buddies. I feel so irresponsible for saying all that - but its like seeing a big carton of Rocky Road ice cream on sale and saying - I don't care if it has a million fat grams - I have to have it! After eating it I feel guilty...lol.....just like after buying these dogs - I'd feel guilty if I found I had bought them from a breeder who mis-represented them as something they weren't. As you alll know - I am for cross breeding - IF it is done responsibly. BUt from what I can tell - these are pure labs.
first red flag : no puppy should leave a breeders home before the age of 8 weeks and with smaller breeds it should be held until 10 weeks of age. i think the only reason she doesn't ship her pups before they are 8 weeks old is because it is the law and she has nothing she can do about that. 2nd red flag : i would never buy a puppy from someone who talks about other breeders as being ignorant. it doesn't portray the womans character in a very positive light. i have no idea whether a silver coloring is a true labrador color or not but in the pic on her website of the 3 adults ditting on top of the ledge (?) the one in the middle lying down has a face of a weimaraner. the others next to it don't but i see weim. in that middle one. could be just the pic, i don't know. a 1 year guarantee against genetic health defects is not good enough.
I think they are very cute puppies. But I'm not sure if I would pay 1250 for one plus the shipping. But they do look all lab to me, I had a chocolate lab not long ago and his body structure was very similar.
Thank-you for the links, everybody...I looked at all of them(Kitty's mom is still wincing and cringing). I still say they had someone in the woodpile...the blue eyes are awful too. I would buy a pure Weimeraner first. I have a fox red yellow lab here. When it was 1st born I thought it was chocolate, my sister in law called it peanut butter yellow. Turns out she's red. Her eyes are the correct color, brown/cinnamon. Well, I guess these people's genetic flaws are pretty profitable for them. To each their own...
Fox red is a variation of yellow, and is within the standard, it's not abnormal at all. It specifically says in the Labrador Retriever Breed standard " Yellow--Yellows may range in color from fox-red to light cream, with variations in shading on the ears, back, and underparts of the dog."
lol...thx catlover and Minn.... If the silvers are banned from the show ring because of their color then why do lab breeders get in such an uproar about these dogs? They can't serve as a threat or competition. I even read somewhere (last night) that some breeders kill any silver pups that are born - to preserve the integrity of the breed. I don't understand the hatred for them. IF this is a gene that is derived from a weim mixing long ago that lab breeders are trying to breed out then why are they wanting to breed it out? It's just a color. Yellows were mixed with an Eskie (I believe) to enhance their undercoat but no one is now trying to breed that out. I just don't understand the uproar. Maybe someone here is a lab breeder and knows. Kitty's Mom - I have read that their eyes change to the yellowish color of the labs eyes at about 8 months of age.
Ansy here's my take on lab color. IMHO if the dog does what it's bred to do.. Hunt and retrieve... then the color should not make any difference whatsoever, unless it is truly a detrimental gene, like albinism in dobermans, or the defects that go wtih breeding merle x merles. (ahh the blasphemy!!) The problem with some of the more unusual color breeds like silver is that breeders breed poor quality dogs together just for the color, not for the temperament and health and instinct.
Minneyar she is absolutely correct. I was mentioning her as an example of a color variation within the breed standard. The reason the dogs would be unacceptable in a show ring is that they do not conform to the breed standard and just as a Lab w/ Rottweiler color or Terrier whiskers would be disqualified. I don't think it is good to kill them, but I would suggest they be spayed/sold w/o papers.
Sorry Kittysmom, when you said something about genetic flaws being bred immediately after describing her color, I thought you were saying her color was a genetic flaw =P My misunderstanding, I apologize.
Scout I agree with you that adult in the middle looks like it has weim in it. The other 2 look okay. But that one definately looks mixed. Other than that I have never seen a silver lab until today but they are beautiful. I like labs anyway but that color is just awesome.
Ansy, Labs aren't supposed to have yellow eyes either. It is when chocolate is incorrectly bred into yellow that those show up. Chocolate should be bred to chocolate or black, yellow to yellow or black. Eyes should be warm cinnamon brown to brown. Light eyes are a flaw as is a curling tail, feathered leg hair, chest spots etc. We have almost bred the white chest out of Labs, I should hate to see it come back because people think it's cute...
oh and in my opinion no good and responsible breeder should 'cull' a puppy from a litter just because of a color that is against the standard, or any other reason. I can understand spaying/neutering the puppy before it goes to its new home but killing it is just stupid and cruel.
No apology necessary Minneyar, I was kinda running my thoughts together there. It's a little early in the morning here and I go to bed after I air the dogs and feed them breakfast. Lil monsters have me up before the sun every day...
I didnt think there was a standard regarding breeding chocolates to yellows. THere's no mention of it on the Labrador club of america site the way there is on the Great Dane club of america site with the strict breeding guidelines there.
You know, 30 years ago, when I was looking at litters to buy my own Lab (not one of my parent's dogs). One of many litters I looked at had a brindle bitch as it's mom. I was so shocked. I examined her papers real close, out of curiosity. The owner said that brindle was a color that had been bred out of Labs, but remained recessive. I don't think the dog should have been bred in the 1st place, but the woman had sent the dog out to a breeder, and paid good money for the breeding. She honestly did not see anything wrong w/ breeding her fine pedigreed dog... Even at the age of 15, I knew what a Lab should, and shouldn't look like. They breed some strange looking Labs these days...
Oh, there's no standard. People breed yellow to chocolate all the time. I just said it causes the eye color flaw, they have red noses and are referred to as "Dudleys". It is a sign that the person does not know, or care what they are doing when they breed the animals w/ incorrect coloration. The eyes should be dark, and soft in expression. The nose, lips, and eye rim should be black. Look at the pups in my ad under dogs for sale, menu on your left. Says Labradors AKC/OFA/CERF. That is excellent pigmentation on a yellow. If you breed yellow to yellow too long w/o breeding to black you get light pigmentation. Very unattractive. The pups' mom looked like I had used maybelline around her eyes, she was so beautiful. She had a black Champion sire.