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Posted: 11:22:14 AM 2/15/2004
I was wondering why white Boxers sell at the same price their siblings do. If you can't breed them (or are not supposed to) and you can't show them (by AKC standards) then why are they selling for $500-$800? I have to say though about breeding them, we have a boxer which both parents are white, he has no health problems (blind, or deaf) and has produced only one white puppy out of 12. We did not breed him the breeder he was purchased from did. We are reserved about it and considered getting him fixed, but has proved to be a wonderful aspect of his breed. He has been shown a few times no Ch yet but has placed in the top 5. Should we breed him. We have two others that both have fawn parents which have produced 3 white pups each, one died a few days later. We had a few people tell us that these pus should be uthanized, I do not beleive in that and they are sold as pets only and have spay neuter contracts. The only problem we have had is a neighbor we refused to breed with (his bitch is white) let her into our yard one eavening and she was bred I sued in order to aquire these pups, not sure which male fathered them, but none were white all were fawn and healthy. Which it may be safe to say that my male with both white parents must not have bred her right? I am a little confused about the genetics thing when it comes to colors. But if my male proves to be free of health issues that could be passed on to his young should I consider breeding him?
Posted: 11:57:29 AM 2/15/2004
Some people sell white boxers as "rare" white boxers. White boxers are not rare by any means. It has to do with the genes, actually the SW gene. So some people will fall for this "rare" white boxer and pay the high price people are selling these dogs for. White boxers can't be AKC registered and the American Boxer Club Code of Ethics prohibits breeders from selling and registering white Boxers. Actually breeders who have white boxer puppies should sell with a spay/neuter contract. White boxers are more likely to sunburn and are more prone to deafness in one or both ears.
Posted: 12:41:25 PM 2/15/2004
White boxers can be AkC regiistered, my males parents were both registered with the AKC and he is too. They just can't be shown they are disqualified because they are white. Unless they have changed it since then.
Posted: 1:16:20 PM 2/15/2004
Sorry, it was the ABC (American Boxer Club) I meant to post - not the AKC. The American Boxer Club Code of Ethics prohibits breeders from registering white Boxers with the AKC, even on Limited Registration. Anyone who has a white is able to obtain an ILP number from the AKC which will allow them to compete in non-conformation AKC events.
Posted: 5:42:50 PM 2/15/2004
I would have to say that the American Boxer club's stance on white boxers, while well intended, is totalitarian. I can't believe that it's against the code of ethics to even register them on a limited registration. Not even the doberman pinscher club of america goes to this extreme with albino dobermans, which is much much more detrimental to the overall health of a dog, white boxers aren't true albinos and white dobes are. While I do believe they should be spayed/neutered, I don't understand why they shouldn't be registered on limited registration. If you read the code of ethics to the word, ILP is actually a type of AKC registration, and the owners of white boxers would be forbidden from doing that as well? Regarding what you can do about the person 'sneaking' their female into your yard, really there's little you can do outside of a paternity suit, which would require a blood test to be done. Are you sure you want to go that far? There are a variety of health issues that your male boxer, while he doesn't show evidence of them, may pass on to puppies that he sires. Perhaps neutering him would be for the best.
Posted: 6:24:41 PM 2/15/2004
I agree with Minniyar on the ILP registration issues. I think that ILP registrations should be embraced and promoted more. People with very nice "pet" dogs can help bring more fresh blood into many of the sporting events for dogs in the very least. I think the reason that white boxers are high priced is to kind of "prove" that you'll be able to afford the future vet bills that you are more than likely to have with skin and eye problems? ~heavy sarcasm~ It's not any cheaper to produce a white dog than one with color......
Posted: 9:51:41 PM 2/15/2004
Check out these cool pics of early boxers, I'm not real knowledgeable on their history, but I know they came from the bulldog,(the original Bulldog, not the English Bulldog) and white was very common. It seems like the white coat was not that uncommon when the Boxers were being developed. I do know this... they are, in my opinion, one the the nicest looking breeds. Love the way their deep ribcage flows into that narrow midsection... sturdy yet sleek. Unfortunately, the deafness thing is true. It's a gene potentially passed to basically any white breed. old german photo... http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/schaeffdogg/detail?.dir=/old(dog)+photos-paintings-engravings&.dnm=boxers.jpg another early german dog... http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/schaeffdogg/detail?.dir=/old(dog)+photos-paintings-engravings&.dnm=boxer.jpg still looking quite the Bulldog... http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/schaeffdogg/detail?.dir=/old(dog)+photos-paintings-engravings&.dnm=boxers-1.jpg
Posted: 10:48:50 PM 2/15/2004
I know this is off topic, but what about black boxers? They did away with because of the mere fact that they didn't like the color. I think they look quite beautiful and would have liked to own one. I have seen some advertised in the paper and I'm skeptical to think that those are really pure Boxers and of course would never purchase one. I think they were really cool though. White Boxers are prone to more health problems. Some BYB will sell them for more and breed them also. This one male was being sold and he had a load of problems. Sunburn was of course one, but the others were severe seperation anxiety, not a brght dog in the least, a very severve breathing disorder, and deafness in one ear. The reason for selling him....he couldn't breed when she tried to put him with her female. Mmmmm wonder why maybe he wasn't supposed to be bred. She had already bred her female to a different white Boxer since he didn't work out.
Posted: 1:07:25 PM 2/16/2004
i have a white male and i do breed him. he is a loving gentle dog unless someone is messing with me. We have had 3 litters out of him and there have been no health problems. He is very healthy. i do sell my whites for more because they are harder to come by. And if someone wants a white on they will pay more for them. THEY ARE NOT RARE, but you do not see that many around. Some people do kill their white pups, that's their perogative. I do have to make sure my male has shade and that goes for my fawns too. The mother of all boxers was a white jip. We have never had a problem with my white male as far as sight or hearing, unless you count selective hearing.
Posted: 1:15:20 PM 2/16/2004
Okay so you are a BYB playing on people. So what lots of suckers will pay more. Like some people will pay ridiculous prices for blue Pit Bulls because they are "rare". They are "harder to come by" really, so that makes them worth more? Explain that because if the white ones cost more than they must be superior so why even bother buying the cheaper, fawn or brindle dogs when they aren't as good as the whites. All dogs need shade, but white boxers are prone to sunburns and skin cancer. There is a big difference, none of my fawns have ever gotten sunburned. My mostly white Pit Bull has a bad time with it, because he is white. My other pits not a real problem for. You say he is healthy and the pups, what kind of health test were done and how old is he? Skin cancer may not develop until later same thing with his pups. Some dogs get it early some won't show until they are 6,7,8 some can live with it or have it removed others have no hope.
Posted: 1:46:19 PM 2/16/2004
msboxers, I don't know where you live but white Boxers are not hard to come by, I see many of them advertised and one lives down the street. As for selling them they should have spay neuter contracts and not be bred because they produce more white Boxers than a fawn or a brindle would. As for my dog who has two white parents and is fawn, he still carries the white resesive gene which can be passed on to his pups. He has had proper testing and is healthy in all other aspects. A few people have made a good point about why they sell for the same price fawn and brindle Boxers do...it is no cheaper to produce a white dog than it is to produce one with color. I never thought of it that way.So why would you tell people they are harder to come by when 25% of Boxers are white? There are studies being done concerning the breeding of white Boxers and if I can find the link to the publication I will post it. It discusses how breeding white Boxers could cause the deafness and blindness gene to affect the fawn and brindle boxers. Which is why I am going to great lenghths to see if my male carries that. If this is true then breeding the white Boxers is going to eventually cause more health problems for the fawn and brindle Boxers as well. Have you had any of this done to the male you are breeding? He may not have these problems, but could be passing the gene to his offsping and you may end up with a fawn or a brindle Boxer that has deafness or blindness. If my Boxer carries either one of these genes he will be neutered imeadiatly. I am not a BYB and I will not put the breed in danger of more problems. That is what you should be doing too.
Posted: 2:28:33 PM 2/16/2004
I was very surprised when I read you intentionally breed your white boxer Msboxers. I guess I was surprised mostly because you've never come across as the kind of preson that'd go against your parent club, the ABC's strong stance against breeding or even registering them. Given that, why do you breed him?
Posted: 5:52:36 PM 2/16/2004
Regarding the post about black boxers. In 1925 they did away with the breeding of black boxers. They no longer exist. If you see one today its because its a reverse brindle, more black showing through than brown. I have a reverse brindle female who has the dark stripes on her body but she doesn't look black, just a little dark. In the sun you can see the fawn/red color.
Posted: 1:37:44 PM 3/3/2004
You really should spay/neuter your whites. Also, the breeding of two white dogs can not produce a fawn or brindle (you must be mistaken). If you want to start a breeding program, go about it in an ethical way.
Posted: 4:18:56 PM 3/3/2004
the only way i would be mistaken is if i didn't look at my dogs pedigree. Whick i did and both of his parents are white. So two white boxers can produce colored puppies. If you don't know exactly what you are talking about then don't respond. Don't tell me anything about ethics either, i've been through my share of bad breeders so I know what i am doing. Sorry to sound so rude but you act like i must be a moron or something by saying i must be mistaken about my dogs parents, how could i be when it is printed right there in black and white that both parents are white.
Posted: 12:31:15 AM 3/7/2004
i am a breeder of boxers. and i personally think that people percieve white boxers, or white dogs of any kind as "bad" dogs, because they are prone to deafness and blindness. that may be true, but all dogs are prone to it. just as any human can be blind or deaf. but the white ones are more likely. that still doesnt make them "bad". AKC does allow you to register white boxers, and they can compete in obedience shows, but not in looks. which i think is crazy. they are just as cute as other dogs. anyways. also 2 white boxers can have colored babies. because it is in their genes, somewhere. white boxers didnt just appear. somewhere in there genes there had to be a fawn or a brindle. which means they can make colored babies. im not sure why people sell them for more, i had thought they were rare myself until i got my first 2 boxers. when we got our female, Alexis, her grandpa is white, and i had never seen one till then and i instantly wanted one!! and then 2 days later we went to pick up our first male and they are very respectable breeders here, and they have at least 5 or 6 white boxers. which they so breed. they are not "bad" dogs. just because one got a bad rep a long time ago now all of them are suposed to be "bad". i just dont think its true.
Posted: 9:03:58 PM 10/28/2004
White boxers are just like thier colored siblings, with the exception that they often can be born blind or death or even both. This is genetic, they carry a certain gene and though your white boxer may not have any health issues now, future litters may, the gene usually will skip a generation. I have a whitey myself, she is is perfect and healthy with no issues, however she has been spayed. I also signed a contract not to breed her. People pften believe they are albino, not correct. Albino is a lack of pigmintation, these dogs have color,spots, black nose and colored eyes, though long times in the sun call for sunscreen as they can burn. I am not sure if this is any help to you, I hope it is, I am also with the Florida Boxer Rescue in which I have learned so much. Questions? Feel free to email hdc120@msn.com
Posted: 9:06:46 PM 10/28/2004
By the way white boxers are not showable through AKC but you can register as is my white boxer is with all her papers.
Posted: 9:11:11 PM 10/28/2004
For those who are breeding whites, it is your dog, your rights???It may be your dog, and though it will not suffer future littlers may carry the "gene" and produce health issues, they are not rare as they make up 25%of the boxers born, thouh they can be blind or death or even both they do well, they can learn basic hand signals and go on about thier life. Dalmations are also a breed falling into the same with blindness and being deaf but hey, never hear anything about that do you.
Posted: 8:13:11 AM 10/29/2004
Baileysmom, welcome. I adopted both of my current Boxers thru Florida Boxer Rescue...it is a wonderful organization:) The American Boxer Club just recently amended the Boxer Standard and code of ethics ... The website will post the new revision as soon as the formalities are seen to, but the gist of the main changes are: 1) white boxers may be sold as pets on limited registration (with a contract) and 2) a description of the natural ear will be included
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