My dad and step mom have English Pugs. They have gotten three, all from differant breeds. And every signal one of them have had to have some sort of surgery to fix one birth defect or another. And I've heard the same sort of things with a lot of other pure breed dogs. So why do people continue to breed these PURE blood dogs if they continue to keep having health problems? I don't understand it when I hear..."Oh yah, thats common in that breed." Then why on earth do people keep breeding the same blood back into an animal that has been proven to have birth defects. The same sort of things started happening with a bloodline of Araibian horses. The Bask line. Bask was all the rage. He was the ideal horse of the breed. Up until foals started being born with club feet. And it's all because they kept breeding back to the same bloodline. Well, I'm sorry but there are only some many bloodlines to any one breed of dog. After a pierod of time, the lines are going to start crossing and then there's going to be problems. Just like my dad and his English Pugs.
Well, usually good breeders never breed dogs with any sort of health defect. Any dog WILL have a health problem (or problems), be it purebred or mutt. Any breed will have a problem or defect that they can obtain from a mutation in genes, from great great great grandparents, or from bad breeding. For example, the problem with Bulldogs (respiratory)will never be bred "out," because of their short face.
***Edited By: Allie on 11/16/2004 6:47:17 PM*** Reason: Addition
Like Allie said. I breed dogs certified, at great expense, free of eye, hip, elbow, patella, heart and thyroid disorders. Their dentition and structure must be correct. I do not breed dogs that are related to each other. The pups usually are good. In certified stock it is est. <10% genetic defect. Many of those defects, like hip dys. are 75% caused by diet and enviornment, something else I control.
Nette- are you trying to say not to breed bulldogs? I guess I am confused by your last statement. The respiratory problems are qith the breed not the bloodline. So it isn't always possible to just avoid the bloodlines that have these problems.
Yes, I have to agree that the shelters are full of mutts.....And pure breeds. And then there are all of pure breed rescues that are full also. So how does that explain why people want to continue to breed animals that have inheirt birth defects?
edit: No, I'm not trying to target any one breed of dog. They all seem to have problems that are common in their breed. For instance. The best horse I ever owned was an Arib/Quarter horse mix. Not the pure Appy's that I was raised to love. The best, healthest dog I've ever owned was a mutt, that found me. Not the Irish Setter that was registered show dog.
***Edited By: Nette on 11/16/2004 7:11:30 PM*** Reason: to finish thought
I think it's all personal preference. Some people like the looks and/or traits of certain breeds. Right now I have all pure breds and love them to death. I have also owned muts before and felt the same way about them. I don't show or anything, all my dogs are for pets. When I have wanted a dog I have lookded around to see what would fit well into my home. I have also gone to shelters, etc. It was more like which one tugged at my heart at the moment.
I think there is a risk with any dog, whether pure bred or not. Think about people, everyone gets sick sometimes. I know my husband's family has some illnesses that could be hereditary, but I wouldn't have not married him because of something that might happen. I hope I'm making some sense and not just making an idiot out of myself. :)
Yah, I guess it is all personal preference. I guess I over think things.But I can't help wondering if some of these breeds, if not most, would be able to servive in the wild with the traits that we, as humans, have bred into them? And if not, then why did we do it in the first place? I realize that these are pets and not wild animals. But on the other hand, we have bred dogs that in the wild would be concidered food by other animals. Simply because we wanted dogs that looked or acted a certain way. (Realizing again, that none of us here were the start of any breed.)
I guess it falls under the same thought as: "Just because we can do something, doesn't mean we should do it!"
***Edited By: Nette on 11/16/2004 7:34:06 PM*** Reason: After thought.
I love the pomeranian breed. That is why I breed them. I also rescue them because I do love them. I only breed animals that have been tested. If an animal has or throws that gene, it is still a great pet, but it shouldn't be more than that.
I believe Gina said it best. Any animal can have health problems. Whether pure or mixed. Nothing in writing for sure. Whether you have a mixed or a pure, just love it. If it ends up with health problems take her to the drs., make them better, and be thankful you have another day together. I'm sure they would do the same for you.
"The respiratory problems are with the breed not the bloodline. So it isn't always possible to just avoid the bloodlines that have these problems."
But the breed still has really BAD health problems. I remember when I went to New York City, this bulldog absolutely refused to continue walking with its owner. It wasn't being stubborn or bully-minded. It was just too tired....from walking (ahem..waddling) barely 2 blocks!!!
Should the dog have to suffer because the breed standard calls for something that makes it wheeze with every step it takes? JMO's.
I think Alphonse has hit on a key issue. For some breeds, health problems are part of the breed standard. Some breeds are unhealthy by definition. For instance, to be a bulldog, the dog must be brachycephalic, so all bulldogs are structural disasters. They can't breathe; they can't chew; they can't move.
Other breeds suffer from health problems that aren't part of the breed standard. Labs, for instance, may have hip displaysia, but a dog doesn't need to have poorly formed hips to be considered a lab. Moreover, responsible lab breeders work hard to prevent their dogs from having such a crippling condition.
I think it's important to question breed standards themselves, instead of just trying to breed the healthiest dogs possible within the standards. All breed standards are not created equally.
I think the main reason any one wants any kind of purebred animals is because of what it was bred to do. For example I have purebred Beagles because I wanted dogs I could train to be rabbit dogs, and that is what a Beagle is bred to do. I chose purebred Boston Terriers because of their personality and intelligence as I did my purebred Rat Terrier. I have purebred Quarter Horses, because we raise them to show and the events we show in require horses that are fast runners and able to turn quickly, which is what the Quarter Horse breed was developed for. I have also owned many many mixed breed animals and have loved them all as much as a purebred, but the truth of the matter is if you need a dog that will point birds you would be taking a big chance on going to the pound and finding a mutt that will point birds, but you can buy a purebred Setter or pointer and the instinct is already their they automatically start pointing as puppies, it is what they are bred to do. As for health problems don't be fulled by thinking only purebreds have health issues, it is just that they can't be pinpointed as being a trait for a certain breed.
I love all dogs, whether they be purebred or otherwise. I have 2 purebreds myself and also have a mutt. I love them all equally. I think (not trying to make anyone mad) "good" breeders will only breed a dog if it has been health checked for any defects, hereditary or otherwise. I agree, some people just like the way a certain breed looks or acts. I, for one, like terriers and dobermans. I like the way they look and their goofy personalities. I also love the personality of my chihuahua/pug mix. She's an absolute doll. I got her from a shelter. I got my dobe from a dobe rescue. I got my rat terrier from a breeder. I realize that no matter what, they are all going to have problems (probably) sooner or later. I'm just glad that for now they are all healthy. I know that there are certain health issues with dobermans, but I think that I researched the breed enough, I really don't care about health problems. I will just deal with those when they come. I guess I'm sort of rambling so I'm just going to stop now...