I just wanted everyone to know, just for the knowledge that commercial dog food and treats actually is bad for dogs. Dog food contains phenobarbital according to an api report. If you go to www.api4animals.org/1318.htm you'll see that this is facts. Phenobarbital is what is used at vets offices to euthanized dogs and cats. If you go to API4animals.crg/79.htm, you can read alot more of what is in your sog food. I was SHOCKED. I'm not saying give your dog everything you eat, but maybe at the begining of the weak fix some liver, or chicken treats and put it in the fridge in something marked for you pup. I help train animals. Anything from a little poodle to military german sheppards.I care very much about animals and just want everyone have the knowledge.
***Edited By: Beagle&Weims on 11/22/2004 11:29:09 AM*** Reason: sp
While there are some brands of commercial dog food (NOT ALL) that were found in years past to contain trace amounts of phenobarbitol, the FDA tested samples of each of those dog foods for the DNA of dogs and cats and found absolutely none. Zero. Phenobarbitol is also used to euthanize cattle, and that that's where the trace amounts came from, not from euthanized cats and dogs (probably from 4D meat sources, would be my guess).
This topic has been rehashed so many times on this forum since I've been on it that it's not even funny. If my computer was working, I'd cut and paste from wordpad my usual response to this stupid accusation.
All i'm not saying ALL dog food contains phenobarbital but some do and to jsut be aware of it. And as for what else is in the food, cancerous caracuses of other desiesed aniamals, udders ect in all of the following foods: Alpo, Fancy Feast, Friskies, Mighty Dog, and Ralston Purina products such as Dog Chow, ProPlan, and Purina One, 9 Lives, Amore, Gravy Train, Kibbles-n-Bits, Nature's Recipe, Hill's Science Diet Pet Food, Eukanuba and Iams, and Kal Kan, Mealtime, Pedigree, Sheba, Waltham's all contain something from this sort. It's a fact not something I'm just pulling from the air. So take as knowledge or don't, but let people be knowlegeable about. Just because some people are, some people however are not.
***Edited By: Beagle&Weims on 11/22/2004 11:37:59 AM*** Reason: sp
So are we not supposed to give our dogs those kinds of treats then?
I feed my two puppies Diamond puppy food. Thats is pretty okay quality, better then some I guess.
But I have had about 5 or 6 dogs in my life and we had them all (except 2 that we found) from puppy-death. I had no control over their food or treat quality as I was young, but those dogs were given grocery store dog food and treats every day of their lives. They barely went to the vet, except for shots. And they all lived to ripe old ages.
Im not saying people should feed grocery store quality food (commercial brands) but your dog will be fine if you do.
Honestly, I agree. We've always fed our pets regualar god food and they were fine. I just think people should know what they are feeding they're dogs. Just like we deserve to know what we're eating. I've had many dogs in the past when I was younger and I still belive that it would be okay to give your dogs regualar dog food. Just know what you are giving them is all. I mean, obviously the food isn't BAD for them, these foods have been around for quite a while with no troubles.
I really don't think that it is fair to call the accusation stupid. That seems very closed minded to me.
Beagle I would agree with you. Most commercial dog foods aren't the best things to feed your dog. While dogs may live long life on commercial crap, they could live a longer healthier life on a better quality food. I guess I just consider my dog part of my family and if I wouldn't feed it to my child I won't feed it to my dog. There are many holistic all natural treats and foods that you can get for your dog. Most commercial foods contain corn as a major ingredient, corn really has no nutritional value for a dog, it is a filler. If you feed your dog a better quality food they will be eating less because there are less fillers. Many dogs can also have allergies to corn, causing many different ailments, including dry skin and dull coat. Regardless of whether or not there are euthanized animals in commerical dog food, there are PLENTY of other reasons not to feed it to your dog.
Nutro is a better quality food. IMO if corn is in the list of ingredients, I wouldn't feed it! Good luck!
***Edited By: pittylover on 11/22/2004 11:45:36 AM*** Reason: jkl;
Thats how I feel too. That why I posted this topic. Another thing is that if you feed your dog natural foods (such as liver and chicken) it gets rid of fleas without using anything topical treatments that may irritate your pups skin.
I've never seen a dry food that didn't contain some amount of corn. I heard that you should look at the ingredients and see which is first on the list (the main ingredient). If it's anything other than meat, then it's not good for your dog. I had to get an emergency bag of Purina for my dog after he ran out of Nutro, and corn is #1 on the list. It also makes him stink, so I'll be pitching it in the garbage after I get the other stuff.
"This topic has been rehashed so many times on this forum since I've been on it that it's not even funny. If my computer was working, I'd cut and paste from wordpad my usual response to this stupid accusation. "
actually pittylover, corn is a carbohydrate, and dogs do digest both corn and carbohydrates just as well as humans do and use the exact same digestive procedures to do so. It does have a nutritional value to dogs just as it does to humans. Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars, which is what muscles and brains use for energy. It is more efficient to break down carbohydrates for sugars than it is to break down proteins and fats for sugars for that same energy. In fact, this is the whole premise behind the atkins diet. Neither dogs nor humans (in fact, no non-ruminant) can digest the cellulose exterior of corn but the kernel is digestible.
Yavin...Nutro MAX contains corn but some of their other formulas don't (try Natural Choice or NC Ultra) I can't feed anything that contains corn...my dogs are allergic. IMO Nutro is better than most commercial kibbles but not up to par with the premium brands, and its pricey. I pay less for Canidae and its a higher grade kibble....to each his own though :)
This dogfood comparison spreadsheet may be of interest to you...its an easy format for comparing ingredients: