The topic was discussed here before, and mentioned that YES there are dogs strong enough (specifically weight pulling dogs) that HAVE to have a very strong and HEAVY chain so that they do not get lose. The dogs can handle the heavy chain and are not damaged by it.
I understand the chain, and YES HEAVY CHAINS do cause DAMAGE. They don't stregnthen the dog like people want to believe they weaken the dogs neck. They are not necassary if a dog thats pulled 3 tons can be kept on a not so heavy log chain and be safe then their is no need for people to put those huge log chains they say their dogs need and say builds muscle, it does a lot to their neck and so do 10lbs collars or even 5lbs collars and they serve no purpose. Most newbies think they do, but those who actually train and condition their dogs are usually the first to tell them to never use the weighted collars and show them how to do proper and safe chain set ups. The biggest thing with the chains isn't the size, its the hardware you use thats usually breaking.
When you see the dogs that don't hold their head up correctly, are stiff and unagile in the neck because they have been hauling (unecassary) 20lbs log chains around that weight half as much as they do that means they cause damage.
***Edited By: True_Pits on 11/30/2004 5:58:36 PM*** Reason: ..
"I don't know. I fly with a 1.7 lbs helmet and my neck is sore after 2 hours. and i weigh 190lbs I think over time the extra weight would bother a 90lbs dog."
Exactly, and thats a 90lbs dog, but these are usually put on Pit Bulls (30-50lbs dogs) a 10lbs collar is 1/3 of my females body weight. A big/strong dog doesn't mean its neck has super resistence.
The collars are far from unique they sell scores at the dog show, I cringe everytime I see someone put on a collar/harness. Stupid ghetto fighters put them on their dogs too, because they think it makes them stronger/tougher. Another thing I don't like is the chain leashes, they don't harm the dogs though, I just think they are useless and kinda gaudy. Of course they aren't nice for wrapping around your hand or quick grabs.
***Edited By: True_Pits on 11/30/2004 11:19:24 PM*** Reason: .
I had considered getting a chain for my dog, but decided on a thick nylon horse halter lead instead. She originally had a "normal" nylon dog leash but we got to wrestling and she snipped through it with her teeth.
I'm not saying you should be putting 5 or 10 lb weights on your dog's neck, I'm just saying a little weight isn't going to hurt a strong dog. That collar certainly didn't look like a heavy weight.
the collar doesn't look like it would be super heavy....but even still, i wouldn't put it on either sandy or tiny. i don't know why really, but i wouldn't buy that collar at all, i just don't like the look of it
"I cringe everytime I see someone put on a collar/harness. Stupid ghetto fighters put them on their dogs too, because they think it makes them stronger/tougher. Another thing I don't like is the chain leashes, they don't harm the dogs though, I just think they are useless and kinda gaudy. Of course they aren't nice for wrapping around your hand or quick grabs."
true_pits: Do you mean a regular nylon type harness or a heavy leather type harness?
I put a harness on both my dogs when I take them out in public. If something should spook them there's less of a chance that they could slip a harness than a collar. I also use a chain leash with nylon handle. I use these because I don't trust the durability of the leash where it connects to the clasp. It looks like the end of the leash loops through the clasp and held together with glue.
I just haven't walked my pits with these, but my other bigger and stronger dogs that I've had in the past, also.
Hopefully we don't look like "stupid ghetto fighters."
Pitpaz no worries I'm sure you dont. I'm not talking about either type of harness. Since the subject is about weighted collars and harness, I cringe everytime I see either of these put on a dog and when I see someone purchase one because I know their going to put it on their poor dog. When you said chain lead I assume the kind you can find at Wal Mart or a pet store. Not the chain leads that have 2 inch links, hardware and look gaudy. I have a chain lead from Wal Mart that I got over time, which I've only used on my puppies because frankly I don't trust them. I use this type of leash and they are very durable, used to walk dogs that have pulled 3-4,000. http://a6.cpimg.com/image/72/A8/42677106-0979-01A20162-.jpg So unless you have a weighted collar and huge chain lead I doubt you look like a stupid ghetto fighter...lol and I didn't say looked, I said they use them because they think they build muscle in their neck and will be better fighters, a lot of the "ghetto fighters" use intimitating collars/leads and try to bulk up their dogs because they don't know any better.
But something else has come to my attention. There have been a few people who said that’s it okay or they themselves would use this type of collar. They don’t believe or want to except the facts that it does cause harm, but more so they think it looks “cool”, which it may if you have a big mastiff, rottweiler or even a Pit Bull. But the point still remains that it is harmful. Before this “new” invention people simply wrapped chains around their dogs neck or used those collars where the weights screwed in the side, those barbaric looking things. If a pet owner wouldn’t use either of these (they have no reason to) then I don’t see why they would use the chain weighted leather collars. Except for the fact that they are “toned down” and “look nice” and could just be a “fashion statement” the makers have made them more appealing to the average pet owner who has no interest in trying to build up their dogs neck muscle. I know these same people wouldn’t put heavy chains are the older weighted collars on their dogs because they look like crap and sole purpose is for weight on the neck. The leather collars have a dual purpose they look nice and have weight, so now buyers will think “it looks neat“ “Can‘t be that harmful“. So just like they have no use for the other 2 forms of weight they have no use for this one, except for the fact that they are visually appealing. Just something I wanted to add as I’ve been thinking it over.