If you scroll down to the next to last picture/listing it has in there "Don't settle for mix breed garbage". Can you believe that! I clicked on their link to their site and it says the same thing on their site! http://www.originalminibulldogs.com/?
Who do these people think they are?? I think they are over do for some shelter dog loving e-mails!
They say "dont settle for mixed breeds" because there are a lot of people who are mixing bulldogs with other breeds to size them down and trying to pass them off as purebred bulldogs at premium prices.
You guys should read the post title "Gerty".
Congratulations Ash. You have managed to trash the people who actually own these dogs that you say supposedly don't exist. I hope you are really proud of yourself. Innocent people should have to feel ashamed of the dogs they own because you don't happen to like the name they are called. If there is anyone who is really prejudiced against particular types of dogs, it is you!
I went and found the steamy post. I did not know what you were talking about, Mollie. I think what Ash is trying to say has some good in it. Once my BF wanted to buy a mini dog type as a gift. I was assigned to research it. I found people out there like used car salesmen glossing over the problems of smaller dogs. I found ONE honest person like myself (I breed Labrador Retrievers, and am 1st to tout their flaws to potential buyers). She told me that any time you take something the size of a pony, and shrink it to the size of a soda can, you ARE going to get health problems. Some that she mentioned are enlarged hearts, skeletal abnormalities, and predisposition towards hypoglysemia (resulting in special diet requirements). In bulldogs, I believe they have both respiratory and skeletal issues already, w/o being bred down. I was told that the high price had to do with the expense of whelping pups, to some degree. They have too large a head to pass the pelvic bones of their dam and must often be delivered c-section. I had bred Labs w/ smaller to larger pelvic genes this year and lost 3 pups, nearly lost 2 dams. Not pretty at all. I think Ash's concern was for the BREED itself and the dogs as a whole, and not for the happy puppy buyers that get there new "mini" item to show off. I doubt any puppy buyers are going to be told the gory details of whelping. I know it is something I don't discuss. Any time you want HORROR stories I can tell some. I think bullies must be even more difficult to whelp than Labs. Cut Ash some slack, or Kitty's mom will tell you bed time stories that will guarantee you wake screaming.
Just checked this website because they were suppose to sell mini rottweilers. I don't see them listed anymore but they are now going to be selling mini walrus dogs. Scroll to the end - they are coming soon :(
the breeders who sell "mini bulldogs and mini boxers" just want a fast busk. they're so full of crap. and what's up wity crossing a shar pei with a basset? bassets, like dachshunds, can have back problems, and mixing them with big dogs is really stupid.
Molly, quick question for you. You insist in the gerty thread that I attacked everyone when it's obvious to me and others that I did not. You then come to another thread and attack me. Bit hypocritical don't you think? Where exactly did I ever state anywhere that people who own these dogs should be ashamed? Refresh my memory please. Oh wait, actually I said the opposite. I am not against anyone who owns a so called mini bulldog. I am against the people who breed them and try to pass them off to an unsuspecting buyer. Why is it that I am getting the brunt of the blame for bringing up a breeding issue?
I don't care what your dog is, I don't care it's size, I don't even care it's lineage. What I do care about is people masking what things are just to make a buck at the expense of the dogs. I feel like people are being a bit to sensitive to the idea of this mini bulldog thing. If you have one good for you, I hope he/she is healthy. And I am sure you will have a great life with said dog.
But please don't go dragging me around in this saying I was attacking people and that I should be proud of myself because people should be ashamed of their dog now. If you are ashamed of the dog you have, due to what I said then you should re-evaluate why you even have a dog.
*PS thanks to the folks who actually GOT what I was saying. I thought I was being clear. Obviously I was not.
***Edited By: Ash on 12/15/2004 9:04:24 AM*** Reason: PS added.
don't respond to these posts anymore. I'm sure you have better things to do and I am sorry you got dragged in. I don't get what Ash meant about you being ashamed of your dog because you don't even have a downsized bulldog.
My dog is a blessing to me and so is my girlfriends dog. It's great that DJcali has a healthy baby too. I don't think they are "less than desirable examples of bulldogs" at all. If someone wants to deny they said that, more power to them.
We know our dogs are healthy but to those of you who insist that they are not, that they are just a money making scam,
let's just say "You win!" and leave it at that. Our dogs are just complete pieces of crap. Who cares what the vet said. They don't know what they're talking about. My friends small healthy bulldog is just a figment of my imagination. I'm always hallucinating.
Nobody respond on my behalf anymore, I'm done with this.
I had to check out the other thread too. Now first, I would not love one of these smaller bulldogs any less than a regular one. However, I can completely see what Ash is saying. I see the same sort of thing with pit bulls, only it goes the other way, people deliberately breeding them to be HUGE-- seen ads for 120 pound ones--with unproportionately large heads. This doesn't mean I don't like huge ones, or anyone should be ashamed of owning and loving one. In fact, the one I am rescuing is 85 pounds. Beautifully proportionate, though. :-) And spayed.
When you breed specifically for a size that is not standard for the breed, you end up with dogs that may in fact be wonderful and smart. However, I feel that breeding should only be done with the very best representations of the breed, including physical breed standard, health, temperament, knowledge and documentation of bloodlines, and so much more. If people only bred to standard, in addition to lots of other considerations, not room to get all of it in here w/out writing a book, so many less dogs would be born,yet breeds would remain separate. And that is a good thing for those already alive.
The issue I have is with the breeder, not with the dog or it's loving owner.
***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 12/15/2004 1:09:09 PM*** Reason: sfgjkart