As long as the animals are being taken care of I believe it is our right under God to breed them. I don't believe in designer mutts but they also fall under our right under God so long as they are being taken care of
Sorry to burst your bubble but a reputable breeder rarely makes money off of their puppies! After all of the pre health care, birth, testing against genetic disease etc...there is usually no money to be made as they care about their puppies & the parents of the puppies! They are breeding for the betterment of the breed for show & maintaining their natural instincts of what the breed was initially breed for.
A miller, BYB is just breeding to make a buck with out the care of the health or genetic background. Therefore the least amount spent = more $$ in their pockets / wallets. Also the general care & attention are lacking in the mill & BYB dogs.
I am one of those "nutty fundamental Christian conservatives" who goes to an independent fundamental Baptist church and I have to agree with the article. We have a God given OBLIGATION to properly care for and provide humane treatment to our animals. We also were set APART from the animal kingdom and we set ABOVE the animal kindgom to have dominion over them. They technically are to be used for nurishment and other useful items such as clothing and before modern industry, tools. We do not have the right to abuse them or neglect them. However we also should not WORSHIP them...I know I've probably gotten myself into some hot water here but this is a forum of opinions and this is humbly mine.
***Edited By: Kushi on 1/22/2005 12:12:06 PM*** Reason: grammar
I don't understand why people start throwing religion into things when they don't agree with others opinions. I'm not one for people preaching their religion to me or using it as an excuse as to why they do this or that.
***Edited By: halo611 on 1/22/2005 1:07:22 PM*** Reason: correction
BTW...I don't agree with backyard breeders. I know there are millions of unwanted pets...cats...dogs...horses....I don't think you should be breeding your animals unless they improve the breed type and are placed in longterm/forever homes with caring and responsible owners. I don't buy my pets from puppymill/pet store scenarios...I either adopt from rescue...take in a stray or pay for an animal from a loving and responsible breeder. I think this is just good common sense but above that I feel for MYSELF...not preaching to anyone...that the Lord has commanded me to do what is reasonable.
i agree with rhonda,a reputable breeder breeds for the love and betterment of the breed and their heart is truely in it for those reasons not the money.and it is true,after the expenses of the breeding they really dont make that much off of it ( vet bills,screenings,stud fees,ect...).
Personally, I don't think anything is wrong with making a profit so long as all the testing is done, there are suitable conditions in which your pets live, and you do everything a reputable breeder does. But fact is, providing all of that and then selling your animals will very rarely yield a profit. But what does religion have to do with breeding?
Okay...couldn't help but to reply to this one.....
I can't help but to think of something that I always joke about with my peers. Going into a baby buisness. Think about how much money I could make if I just stayed home and popped out babies(no worries..I realize they don't pop out). Plus....if I cut corners and have the baby at home...don't take prenatal pills...ect I will make even more money. Yeah...some will go to homes sick, they might not go to the best homes, and I may lose a few, but that is life.....right?
As a christian (and someone with actual thought and consence(sp)) I believe that you should treat everyone and everything with respect.
***Edited By: XjessicaXburgiX on 1/22/2005 1:38:41 PM*** Reason: d
i am not touching the religion part of this with a ten foot pole.
but i do have a question. this whole profit theory has be a bit confused. i know what alot of the genetic testing costs to have done on the breeding dogs. and i have a pretty fair estimate of what whelping boxes cost and other delivery things you should have. i can see where maybe with a first time litter.....there wouldnt be any money to be made. the initial costs of everything would be covered with the sale of the first litter. many of these genetic health tests are not ones that are needed to be done each and every time you breed the same pair together. so i would think after the first litter, breeding the same 2 dogs together again, would be all profit.
Our right under god? Like how woman are supposed to sit at home and pop out as many children as possible. Why am I guessing that your just here to stir stuff up and get people mad. Who uses religion to say they can breed? Are you gonna say spongebob is gay to.
Not to mention the article kind of lumps peta and the aspca together. Thats bull. ANd I don't see much about breeding unless you eat and skin your dogs to wear as clothes. Nothing wrong with the people who don't throw their religion around but was this really necessary? Not to mention that when I die I hope to see the animals i've lost. I don't think they just disappear when they die.
I tink the money that goes towards animals is neede and well spent. I don't se why people should be able to sit at home having more kids they can't care for and expect money. People do it to themselves and I dont thinkt hey deserve much help. Animals don't. People do it to them.They deserve the help.
I know somone probably already said this but you breed for the love of the animal and to improve the breed,and also to educate people on how to be responsible dog owner's. I feel those people who breed for the money are probably cutting some corners.cause nine times out of ten you usally break even with all the time and money it takes to make sure your female is o.k before during and after the pup's. not to counting the care of the pup's and making sure you find the right home for them.
WTH! Are you kidding me here? Is this seriously what we have come to? Joce I almost pee'd myself with the sponge bob thing. :) Seriously though. Take your bible thumping elsewhere. In my opinion this is no place for it. I don't care what religion, system of beliefs, or mythology you believe. I don't want to hear how god said it's ok to breed dogs for money. These ideas (again, in my opinion) Are no more needed here than a debate on politics. Fundamentalism, in any religion, can justify anything. Common sense however dictates a restraint in broadcasting these ideals in a forum not suited for said "theory's".
If it looks like a troll, act's like a troll and smells like a troll, my superior skills of logic tell me it must be a troll. At least I hope so.
*disclaimer The above rantings are my opinion and do not necesarily reflect those of TP or it's staff. Although they probably do reflect the majority of us.
this article makes heavy use of prooftexting to talk about animals, which can be used to slant all parts of the bible; so let me respond a little in kind- i can't take things so literally because: deuteronomy 21:18, where is says to stone your disobedient sons. if this can be changed and said "oh you know we shouldn't do that" why not the rest of what this article says.
kushi, i agree with you that we can't abuse or mistreat animals. i'm one of those liberal- don't take it literally- use your brains people, but we do agree on this!
I can't imagine this world having dogs or othere pets bred by only responsible breeders. I agree with everything the reputable breeder stands for and I applaud them but then at the same token, I start thinking that only a very few would be able to own a pet because alot of people would not be able to afford to pay hundreds of dollars for a dog/cat or whatelse. I know I would not be able to afford $1000.00 for a dog plus all the expenses that go with owning a dog.
I though; however, condem anybody that uses these little creatures to make a buck and does not treat them humanely. That is just plain evil.
The point is that I believe that people are eqating animals with humans. I do not believe in Genetic testing for animals, but I consider myself a good breeder. I have no problem with commercial breeders so long as the animals are being properly cared for. Let me repeat again so there is no misunderstanding.
As long as the animals are being cared for.
I have check with several vets on the issue of genetic testing and they have said it is not fool proof. I know a man who breed labradors and he does the testing and his whole litter turned out bad later on in life.
Breeders like me are being slammed when all we want to do is make an honest living which I have the right to do.
This is the purpose of animals under God to use as humans see fit.
Although we have to take care of the resources that God has given us.
This is where puppy mills fall short though, they do not take care of them whatsoever.
I don't consider myself equal to a puppy mill because I love the animals, take them to the vet, there not stuck in cages and have free land to roam, are fed, played with, but I make money.
My income is about 50,000 a yr and hope to raise it this yr.
If I were going to support genetic testing it would be because of the furtherance of humans.
Animals do not live on once they die. I have included another article to support this truth.