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Warning! Pedigree lines carrying EPILESPY!!!
My dog has epilespy
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Posted: 12:00:16 PM 1/27/2005
My 2 year old German Shepherd dog was just diagnosed with epilespy. I notified breeders that I got her from. The breeder and the owner of the mother has discontinued the line but the breeder and the owner of the father is still breeding him because he is a "champion". It's his line that I suspect the gene is carried because I've discovered another litter he was father to with a different mother that also produced 2 with this deformity. If you are thinking of getting a German Shepherd puppy, please remember this name when checking the pedigree...CH Karizma's Jag v Carma. This is my dog's father. The breeder who is still advertising the dog is Karizma's German Shepherd Dogs out of Freehold, NJ. Please let's stop these irresponsible breeders by getting the truth out.
Posted: 12:07:45 PM 1/27/2005
wow......sorry to hear that. my mom had several shepherds from iza's lines many years ago . thankfully they didn't have epilepsy. i wish you the best with your dog. hopefully he can be controlled with phenobarb.
Posted: 10:20:52 AM 3/18/2006
UPDATE - Annie May died 11-02-05 from complicatons of Epilepsy. Four months after Annie's owners took her to the vet to be humanely euthanized on 2-28-05 to relieve her severe suffering with the seizures, they were informed that Annie was not euthanized as they had witnessed. Instead the vets involved put Annie on medication and adopted her out to a man who lives in NE Philadelphia. Annie only lived 8 months after the false euthanization.



***Edited By: anniemay on 4/14/2006 1:22:25 PM***
Reason: Information sealed
Posted: 10:26:22 AM 3/18/2006
Why must vets lie to clients. I am sure these people wanted their GSD to be out of pain. And the vet lied and said they did put her to sleep. Then 8 mths later she still dies from complications from this disorder. Why oh why could the vet not be up front and honest. I am glad the law is stepping in. All to often we hear of vets doing this stuff.
Posted: 10:26:41 AM 3/18/2006
dp

***Edited By: Rebel on 3/18/2006 10:27:13 AM***
Reason: 444
Posted: 12:10:46 PM 3/18/2006
Death from seizures is rare. While I don't condone what these vets did, epilepsy is not a death sentence and many dogs go on to live happy and relatively healthy lives despite it and unless there's an underlying cause for the seizure (such as tumor) I do not agree with putting this dog down merely for idiopathic epilepsy. Yes, the meds take their toll on the dogs, my epi boy also suffers from ataxia from the meds, but if it controls his seizures, that's a side effect we both can live with.
Posted: 1:17:39 PM 3/18/2006
I guess as much faith as I put in Vets, I had no idea one could be that heartless. Just goes to show, some people have no idea what ethics or morals are..........much less have them.
Posted: 3:11:17 PM 3/18/2006
Ok, I'll bite.

New member makes post #1 to report that dog has epilepsy, and that a particular line is suspect.

Fourteen months later, member makes post #2 to report that said dog was put down 5 days after diagnosis (or 1 month later, depending on what you read).

...and that the euthenasia was faked.

...and that the dog was adopted out to another family.

...and that the new family won't return the dog to the first family that put the dog down after less than a month.

...and that the dog died anyway.

Pardon my cynism, but can this story get any more convoluted?
Posted: 3:24:33 PM 3/18/2006
Really not that far fetched. It just happened with a jack russell(I think thats what it was) around me. But the people got the dog back. How their story went they shouldn't have though.
Posted: 3:55:09 PM 3/18/2006
Wow, that is so sad. Does vets should lose their licenses. If that was the families decision to euthanize her and the vets disagreed they simply should have refused to perform the task and educated the owners why they felt that way.

lI know that eplispy can be treated but if that dog was acting the way the OP claimed on their website, that couldn't have been a fulfilling life. I've seen a pet that had this condition and seemed to still be full of life and enjoy life to the fullest. Question than for crestimom or anyone else with knowledge on how this condition effects pets. Do some dogs end up in this so-described state of comatose or is that just the after effects of a recent seizure that would wear away? According to the visit on 11/1/05 Annie was suffering in that type of condition 3dys after her last attack.
Posted: 6:24:53 PM 3/18/2006
When Ricky's seizures were at their worst, which entailed cluster grand mal seizures every 2-3 hrs for a 36 hr period, his post-ictal stage lasted almost 2 weeks before he really snapped back. Part of the initial "comatose" state was drug induced to break the cluster cycle. Ataxia is not only an anti-seizure drug side effect, but it is also a side effect of the seizures themselves. So yes, it is quite possible. Basically, at least in my experience with Ricky, the worse the seizure the longer & more severe the post-ictal stage.

Ricky still has ataxia, but nothing to the extent it was. He literally could not even stand on our hardwood floors, and could barely walk on carpeted areas. He wears rubber soled booties on his hind legs most times now to help with traction on our hardwoods. He can no longer get himself in & out the doggy door, and I don't let him climb up or down steps because he does not have the coordination (two or three steps is okay, but not a whole flight) and he's taken a couple of tumbles when he wandered out of the bedroom at nite (now the door is gated at nite so he can't).

Trust me, there were times in the beginning when I, too, questioned Ricky's quality of life and got very down about it. Had it not been for all the support and encouragment I received from people at www.canine-epilepsy.com and another k9 epilepsy group, I honestly may have considered euthanasia....and then I learned better.

What people fail to remember is the dogs feel no pain from the seizures. During the seizure itself, they have no awareness. Yes, they are confused afterward but once the post-ictal passes, they're right back to their normal sweet self. The hardest part is finding the mix of meds & dosages thereof to keep your dog as close to seizure free as possible without turning them into walking zombies.
Posted: 6:36:25 PM 3/18/2006
"When Ricky's seizures were at their worst, which entailed cluster grand mal seizures every 2-3 hrs for a 36 hr period, his post-ictal stage lasted almost 2 weeks before he really snapped back."

It was the people on the Epil-k9 list that kept me going some days when we were going through the exact same thing.

Great group of folks there!
Posted: 6:41:31 PM 3/18/2006
It's his line that I suspect the gene is carried because I've discovered another litter he was father to with a different mother that also produced 2 with this deformity. If you are thinking of getting a German Shepherd puppy, please remember this name when checking the pedigree...CH Karizma's Jag v Carma. This is my dog's father.


you have to be careful with saying things like this. If the OP is wrong and the fathers lines are clean. If the breeder can prove because of statements like this they lost $$$. They can sue to recoup the lost revenue. This is a big no-no in the professional dog world. It happens.
and a average GSD litter produces 8-12 pups. and if they charge 1000.00 a pup. a male stude can produce tons of litters. were talking buko bucks.

***Edited By: gunny on 3/18/2006 6:43:53 PM***
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Posted: 6:54:58 PM 3/18/2006
Honey1 wrote: "It was the people on the Epil-k9 list that kept me going some days when we were going through the exact same thing.

Great group of folks there"

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Yes they are, I don't know what I would have done without them. As a matter of fact, I've got a question out there now about a neem oil based natural flea repellant and awaiting responses.
Posted: 7:17:21 PM 3/18/2006
I signed off the list around the end of May last year after Tux died, I have thought about signing back on quite a few times though. I learned so much from everyone there.
Posted: 7:40:58 PM 3/18/2006
If the vet actually committed fraud by not euthanizing the dog when he said he did that is unconscionable.

I can however understand why a vet would make the choice to euthanize a GSD with epilepsy.

When my old Jessie (a danexlab) began passing out one of the possible causes was epileptic seizures. My vet at that time explained it this way: the larger the dog the more difficult it is to control seizures with medication.
Whether or not that is still the case there are without a doubt vets still practicing who believe it is. I run into this consistently in the field of human medicine, specifically diabetes care. Physicians practicing outdated methods because it was the way they were taught or because it is more cost effective.

As to epilepsy seldom being fatal, that is accurate, however having lost my one and only white male Pomeranian to it I know it does happen. The fatal form is Status Epilepticus, one seizure runs into another until it is one continuous seizure which is fatal.
Posted: 9:55:56 AM 3/19/2006
As for the post about the breeder suing me for slander. I never said it was definitely from this breeder's line. I have no definite genetic proof. I only said I suspect it, which I'm entitled to my beliefs and opinions. I didn't post the original information for malicious purposes. I was only giving information (FACTS) which might aid in another's decision in where to obtain a GSD. It gives the buyers something to consider. There are irresponsible breeders out there and with communication and information we can help combat the damage they do with irresponsible breeding. This has been a terrible emotional tragity for my family and me. My only motive was to get my story across to as many people as I can to help others to be informed. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.

As far as this being hard to believe, I understand. If it didn't happen to me, I would have been skeptical too. We are pursuing legal action at this time and I will keep you posted.
Posted: 10:05:47 AM 3/19/2006
Its never fun.

I had a friend loose her 4 year old to epilipsy last year. Poor dog finally got to the point that she was seizing almost constnatly, at every sound, at light, meds had finally failed, it was quite horrible.
Posted: 11:51:22 AM 3/19/2006
"As far as this being hard to believe, I understand. If it didn't happen to me, I would have been skeptical too. We are pursuing legal action at this time and I will keep you posted."

I can totally believe this happened although I find it appalling that a vet would deceive a client like that. They should have their license suspended. I hope you continue to pursue legal action and get this clinic shut down. If it isn't hard enough to make a decision to put down a dog then to find out that your wishes were not carried out and your dog rehomed.. I can't imagine!

Posted: 12:10:52 PM 3/19/2006
My apologies, AnnieMay. I should have kept my grouchy mood to myself.
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