A friend bought a puppy ON LINE from here. They seem to have a full on kennel of mixed breeds that it sounds like they are allowing innocent people who know nothing about dogs BUY from them like they know what they are doing!! How on earth is this ok?? With so many mixed breeds in pounds WAITING for ownders, stupid people like this are out there making a buck by breeding like this on purpose. It makes me sick!! My love is golden retrievers, and I see this site has goldendoodles or something, like it is an actual breed!! Isn't there anything anyone can do about this to stop it??
***Edited By: pearl on 1/31/2005 1:44:43 PM*** Reason: to not give attention to website
I was just thinking that its even easier for them to breed because they don't even have to have two of the same breed. I don't get it eitheir. You have no clue how the pup will turn out and it isn't even developing a breed since you can't breed back to eachother. People just need educated on it.
How can anyone begin to educate people who just don't know?! I seriuosly want to look into this. I will start with my friend who is looking to buy here, but how on earth can anyone get word out about places like this? They are charging up $1,000 for 'larger' breeds which is a golden retreiver or a lab size. That is rediculous!!!! For a mutt, they are paying high prices when they can get the same breeds at the pound and save a life!! I am heartbroken. I hope my friend listens and I hope I can find a way to et word out about people like this, especially those claiming to NOT be a puppy mill as these people are. I am so disgusted!
Isn't this just a glorified puppy mill??!!! That's just what is needed is more puppies that need homes. I'd say there are enough out there already at all the shelters and rescue groups without intentionally breeding mixes.
This is not about pure breads vs. mixed. I love mixed dogs. What is wrong is the fact that they are charging and arm and a leg telling people how great they are and what great family dogs they breed, when they are just breeding for money. Same goes for pure bread breeders who don't give a rats.....bleep.
By putting up their link hopefully people will read this first and know not to go there.
But stupid people will buy anyway I am sure. My friend is. She 'doesn't want to buy at a pet store' yet she will buy from a place like this. Stupid is all I have to say. Again, not about wanting a mutt, they are great, but about keeping people like this around. AND they are advertising that the AKC approves.....ok, whatever.
i think people get educated one person at a time. i had no idea this was going on till i joined this site over a year ago. i think the more it is talked about the better. i just read about 7 million cats and dogs are euthanized in the US each year who are in shelters. it's shameful.
i really don't think it is a purebred vs. mutt discussion. i think it is a discussion about why people are purposely breeding mutts. at least that is my reasoning behind why i say what i do. i have owned mutts my whole adult life til i got scout. so its not that i am against them at all. i am against purposely breeding them, giving them cutesy pie names and selling them to people as something superior. alot of people just don't know and are suckered in by all the hoopla surrounding them. and people are making big bucks off unsuspecting people. i wouldn't ever bash anyone for owning one, or for buying one after the fact. but just as we try and educate people against pet stores, i will try and educate people against buying into the hype that surrounds the designer dogs. they are free to do what they want. but a little education never hurt anyone.
hmmmmm.....who's ya daddy? considering you just joined today and that was your first post.......how would you know if i have gotten mad at someone else before for trying to educate? and what is it that you always say because i dont think we have ever heard from you before ? or have we?
Are you aware that YOU are the one arguing? Most people here were not arguing, nor was I. I was simply asking how knowledge can get out.......and I should have stated to the pure bread breeders who are also scammers in my first post.....and that was about it. You are the one arguing.
And I don't agree with the parent thing. Just because someone has money doesn't mean she will be a good mother just because she went to the dr, but she may have a really good nanny to do her job for her.
End of discussion.......or argument if you prefer to look at it that way. If it bothers you so much, don't reply to posts like this. But as the one poster above whom you kept copying text from pointed out, people are reading this who had no idea until now, and some education is getting across....for both puppy mill and pure bread breeders alike who scam.
Not a purebred vs mutt decussion. I love mutts, and have one from the shelter. But I don't believe in breeding mutts because they are overpopulated, there are enough homeless ones already that need homes.
***Edited By: ShadowDog on 1/27/2005 9:53:01 PM*** Reason: add
scout, I think the copy and paste might give you a clue. ;)
I totally agree with pearl. I hate to admit it, but I used to peruse the classifieds for dogs, you know, the $50 for a pit pup, parents on site, blah blah. I had nooooo idea what was really going on until I did some volunteering, looked at the stats(1 cat/dog pts every 4 seconds!), and got my own rescue dogs. I don't think I speak alone when I say that TP is an invaluable resource in regards to all things doggie; whether it be support, humor, information or education. To each their own...good luck finding some middle ground.
***Edited By: bessieloubop on 1/27/2005 10:00:15 PM*** Reason: 1
I am going to totally disregard the poster who is obviously arguing with him or herself because I found this to be a good discussion, not arguement, until that poster wanted to start copying and bashing everyone else.
I just wanted to say that I have learned a lot I didn't know before on this forum too. If you think about buying out of the paper vs. adopting form the shelter like this it actually is economically better to adopt, not to mention saving a life and all the other good stuff that comes from adopting.
You can take the example above of a $50.00 dog from the paper, then add vet bills, spay/neuter costs and whatever other health problems may come along. Or you can adopt. Where I live it is 75.00 to adopt from the shelter, and as some of you know I adopted for this same price from the greyhound track also. They spay/neuter is already included, as is a health check up and shots. At least where I am if something major is wrong with your pup you will know in advance. For example, when I adopted Rusty he had heartworms, I elected to pay the extra $100.00 for the heatworm treatment. I believe to this day he knows I saved his life.
When I adopted my greyhound, she came with all of the above, plus they provide a leash, collar, her racing muzzle (no I don't use it) and other accessories. She had a full health check and spay before I was allowed to take her home. In the long run it not only saves a life but it's generally less expensive too.
For the record. I totally agree with Scout's first post and some others too.
Gina, I completely agree. Buying from a breeder who is not credible is in NO WAY different from adopting, ecxept for the benefits that you get from adopting. I can understand that some people prefer to buy from a credible, responsible, legitimate breeder rather than adopt, especially if they want to show, and occasionally for other reasons. But to buy from a non-credible, irresponsible breeder is like adopting, except that you pay MUCH more money, and are responsible for having the pet altered yourself. It's just that simple.
And for the record, I took the OP's word about the conditions of the breeder they linked to. Each time we click that link, we increase their rating on Google and therefore could increase traffic to their website and business for them.
"Whats wrong with making a profit on your dogs? it allows you to care for them better. You speak of 'designer dogs' going for a thousand or more dollars. What about the Yorkshire Terriers that are selling for $6000 - $8000??? Is THAT 'ok' since they breed pure breeds?"
I do not think there is anything wrong with making a profit, but most breeders don't. Mostly because of all the testing that goes into breeding, etc. My aunt breeds german line GSDs and she loses money most of the time, and her dogs are not cheap.
I have nothing against mutts at all. I think my pug/beagle mix is the cutest thing ever. My main problem with "designer mutts" is that people think they are getting something that they are not. Many, not all, people come here saying "ive heard puggles do not howl, are great with kids, etc." But that's just not true. My "puggle" howls like a maniac & is very timid and shy...she runs from children and hides from strangers. It seems to me that people who breed mixes think they are better than purebreds. They're not, they're the same.
I would only spend thousands of dollars on a dog that had proper genetic testing & a health guarantee. If a breeder of mixed breeds had health guarantees and did genetic testing, I would not be against the breeding of mixes honestly. Before any dog is bred, purebred or not, I think the parent dogs should be tested. It just seems crazy to me to buy any kind of dog for that much money without that. Just my opinion.
And BTW, I would never ever ever in my life buy any dog for $6000!
Acey, I agree I just can't justify spending that much money on a dog when there are so many in the shelters.
Don't get me wrong, I have pure breeds, and I did spend hundreds on the two I didn't adopt, but not thousands. I see nothing wrong with mixes or pure bred dogs, and I understand people that have them for more then pets may want to spend that kind of money. However, since my dogs are for family pets only, no way.
I love all my dogs to death and don't think I could pick a favorite if my life depended on it, but I will say that adopting Lady has been a wonderful experience and I would do it again in a heart beat. My house is just full right now. I know that when the time comes for me to get another dog, I will go back to the greyhound adoption. I have always wanted a great dane, but Lady has been such a joy that I think I would like to stick with that breed.
And no Mr. whatever, this topic is not going to go away. There is nothing wrong in discussining it in a civilized manner either. I personally take offense to your attitude that you had your say and we should move on to something else. Be my guest to move on to another topic, but if we want to discuss this that is our perogative.
I agree too about what y'all said about the "designer dogs" It's more that people are being misled when they could rescue/adopt a dog for less money and be no worse off. If you want one fine with me, I think many of the mixes are adorable, just know the truth and educate yourself first. Like Acey said, they make a lot of claims that simply are not true!