As someone wanting to start breeding dogs as the realization of a long-time dream I have done extensive research on the actual process of breeding, health of the "mommy dog" (I hate the proper term for the girls ;) ), care of pups, medical emergencies and how much they cost...etc, etc. However after "lurking" on these boards for quite awhile I noticed something sad...the extensive use of dogs just for the money. Yes, I'd already heard several stories and read about the atrocities of puppy mills, but in just the past few days I've read tons of people's stories on this. My main reason for posting finally? I want to be a reputable breeder. (I don't like the word kennel-for some reason it makes me think of dogs solely in cages and mine will live with me.) In order for me to be one, I cannot just jump into "dog breeding" head first, I have to take the time to talk to people that know about these things. I want to breed healthy and social puppies - I also want to be someone that the potential/new owner can call anytime for help/advice/just an update about the puppy. I was hoping people on here would be willing to inform me about all the legal basics (Legally-I know nothing about establishing myself as a licensed breeder or when I should do this.) I will be getting the first girl in my breeding program in April, her mom's due date is February 25th...so excited! :) Sometime in April my "little stud" will be born...going to start out slow, every litter of pups getting a new girl. :) Eventually I plan on raising three breeds of toy dog, all in my home...yes...18 dogs in my house, but it's not like there's not plenty of room...also have a great big back yard, plus I can be with them full-time. Any advice would be greatly appreciated- not just legal-wise, but also breeding in general. Thank you :) ~Meg
***Edited By: littlegems on 2/2/2005 2:54:14 PM*** Reason: Spelled word wrong. ;)
First of all, you shouldn't be breeding any dogs before they are age 2. Only after they have been cleared by the vet for various health problems and concerns.
Secondly, you cannot realize the potential of a breeding prospect before it is born. Just to say you are going to get your breeders out of this future litter or that future litter does not sound like the beginnings of a reputable breeder to me.
Thirdly, try to strive for quality, rather than quantity. I would rather have one or two good dogs than a whole bunch of lesser quality dogs. The world already has enough mediochre breeders now.
Try to concentrate on one breed of dog, instead of working with 3 different breeds, and as you say 18 dogs at once screams of puppy mill.
Buy the best of the breed that you can afford. Do your research, it is a big commitment.
You want to improve the quality of the breed of dog that you are raising, not produce as many inferior dogs you can.
Yeah, I know. ^_^ My fiance and I have a fairly big house...all one story. Three bedrooms, big living room. I wouldn't even think of having any kind of large breed, but I think with toy dogs it should be alright....I was thinking of even building on to the house more to create a really big playroom for the pups...the way it is, with no kids and none on the way for quite awhile they will already have a playroom of their own. :) I just really don't like the thought of cages at all for my pups. It sounds so wrong when you say it though, I picture dogs all cramped up.... it won't be that way, I promise. They'll get plenty of room and exercise. :)
Yes, I am aware that you shouldn't breed before the second or third heat...I had no intentions of doing so. :) Secondly, I didn't mean I would be getting my future breeders out of my own litters, I meant after selling the pups I would purchase another female from a good breeder for my program. I will be concentrating on only one breed for the first 10 years or so- I only meant in the long run I hoped to have three breeds. :) I'm only going to have five females and one male of each....therefore for about 10-15 years only six dogs.
I do appreciate your advice though, I understand that new breeders need to be aware of these things and everything you say has been well noted. :)
We'll, to be reputable- you're going about this backwards.
The better breeders of the world start breeding after becoming extremely knowledgeable about the breed. They compete with their dogs- through conformation and/or performance events- and they know the standard of their breed through and through.
There are very few reputable breeders who breed more than one breed at a time- and I doubt that there are any who'd attempt to be breed experts on three breeds. Who has the time to put titles on that many dogs- to train them and care for them?
When responsible breeders have double digits in their breeding programs, it's due to co-ownerships. Nobody can keep 18 dogs in the house and be considered responsible... let alone SANE.
And why in the world would you assume that the puppies being born this year are of breeding quality? A breeder is lucky to get one puppy in a litter that matches the breed standards that closely- and they STILL have to hold on that decision until the dog has matured enough to really judge.
Where are you getting your "breeding stock"? It's not a great source if you're not getting chewed out for even considering breeding these puppies before they're even born! When one acquires breeding stock- it's either adult dogs, one's own puppies (after they've been proven), or a request is put out for a particular breeder's puppies- which could take years before a suitable one came about.
Being a breeder isn't a dream of any kind- and the responsible ones will TELL YOU THAT. It's NOT fun to put your pets at risk- which is what each pregnancy does. It's NOT fun to lose puppies to illness, accidents and mother nature. It's NOT fun to find great homes for each puppy. And it's NOT fun to deal with intact dogs roaming the house.
You want 3 intact males- and HOW many intact females- running your home? OMG- the dominance issues would be disgusting!
And in most states- having a breeder's license means you're producing too many puppies a year TO be considered responsible. All but the crappiest of the puppy mills and commercial breeders are considered "legal".
I truly hope you're just voicing a fleeting thought- because you are NOT on your way to being "reputable" in anyone's eyes but your own.
I am confused. You are saying you want to be a "reputable breeder" and you say you have researched the medical parts of breeding, but have you studied the breed standard and genetic traits of the breed? If not, you cannot be a reputable breeder. More than some legal piece of paper, the term "reputable breeder" means someone who knows what makes the breed they are breeding. For instance, if I were to breed two individuals that are from lines known to carry Sheltie skin syndrome, the puppies could develop the condition, and that is not good- my puppy buyers are counting on me to know these things, and do my best to protect them. I know this because I have studied the breed. Maybe you have already done this, but ultimately that is what a reputable breeder means, not USDA liscensed. If I see a USDA liscense I know this is a high-volume deal- a puppymill. Reputable means you know what you are producing- you know the genetic problems in your breed, you know if two individuals come from lines known to carry genetic problems. Reputable is oh so much more than a piece of paper.
Sorry to have wasted everyone's time..... Every other board/group I have joined has been supportive about giving me advice, some have been critical but none have been judgemental. They've all pictched in and no one has been this discouraging. Thank you all for your time, though.
The frist thing I ask is why do you want to breed? Do you have a burning passion for the breed of your choice? Do you get into wars with people who have never owned said breed and think they know about it? Do you eat, sleep with, and adore your breed and find an amazing amount of books and kickknacks (including a picture on my cell phone, chuckle) about them?
The first part of responsibility is obessession. It is hard to explain how "perfect" our main breed of dog is to us and how much we adore it. But that is a good place to start.
How are you going to prove your dogs? Working? Conformation? Conformation works best with toys since their job is lap sitting and my GSD does that well enough.
Do you have a mentor? They are invaluable. Someone with that same burning passion but more experince. Most will sell you your first dog on a co-ownership to make sure you are serious about this, not just embarkign on something to do.
Why are not you keeping puppies from your breedings to develop your own lines? Selling them all and bring more dogs to outcross with gets you no where geneticly, nor does using one stud. Your females will have to go out for stud service if youd o not wish to have multiple studs in your own home.
Well it rolls down into why you are having them and what you are doing.
If you have a large kennel, you are going to have sevearl litters a year. But the question is why are you breeding the same handful of bitches to the same dog, over and over. Where is this getting your kennel, your bloodlines, your goals for the breed?
I'm also not an advocate of back to back breeding. My bitch just had 12 puppies, and no one is going to convince me that breeding her her next season would be a smart thing to do.
Depending on where you live, you may not be able to legally have more then 2-3 dogs with out a kennel license. You may also need a breeding license. If you are able to get a kennel license for your property, I am pretty sure you will not be allowed to keep 18 dogs in your house. You’ll most likely have to build an outside kennels for them.
Check your local ordinance and regulations about having and breeding this many dogs before you do it. Sooner or later some one will tell on you, and you could end up on one of those animal cop shows on the Animal planet channel.
I have 6 Chihuahuas, 2 Pomeranians, 1 Lab and 1 fat cat. That is 10 in my house, the Lab is outside, except at night time. Our house is 3200 sq feet, I can't imagine any more. They are fun and I really enjoy them, but just raising them is a chore.
I have no advice for you, except study up more and just love the dogs that you will have first.
you really should not be breeding at all ,there are enough homeless dogs,abondoned and mistreated dogs in this world you will just be adding more.consider not to do it.instead donate all that extra time on your hands to a shelter.