Newbies posting seeking "breeders" for "Puggles", "Daisy Dogs", "Cockapoos" etc.

I am responding to the latest rash of questions on this site from newbie's seeking "breeders" for these so called designer dogs that millers & back yard breeders are charging an arm & a leg for. Meanwhile these millers & BYB are laughing all the way to the bank with their money! The public does like the designer colors & breeds, they pay for the designer colors & breeds and that's who the millers & BYB's cater to..... Wake up & smell the poop fellow newbie's! I will however add that you can find these mix breeds just as easy in shelters or rescue groups if you just HAVE to have a "Designer Breed"! They are so much cheaper there too! Also check out www.petfinder.com, You will find he mix breed you're looking for there without paying that ridiclous price! Just remember the puppies at the millers & BYB's still have parents that live in the horrid conditions to breed more every cycle to pump out more puppies for profit without concern for the health or well being of the pups or parents.


Below is parts from http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/01/0115_040115_tvdesignerdogs.html National Geographic Show.

What's a Labradoodle—Designer Dog or Just Another Mutt?

Designer Dogs—Passing Fad

But for all the excitement surrounding these new developing breeds, many skeptics dismiss designer dogs as a passing fad.

"Crossing breeds, adding a fanciful name, and charging outrageous sums for these dogs [labradoodles can cost up to U.S. $2,500] is a recent trend that's only taken off in the last decade," said Allan Reznik, editor-in-chief of Dog Fancy and Dog World, based in Irvine, California. "It's indicative of a society that loves labels. Having a dog that is part spaniel and part poodle isn't enough—it has to be a cockapoo."

Many of the hybrid dogs are part poodle—the rationale is to create dogs that don't shed. A Yorkipoo, cockapoo, and schnoodle are all part poodle and part Yorkshire terrier, cocker spaniel, and Schnauzer, respectively. But many pure breeds are also low or non-shedding, argued Reznik. The Labradoodle is not filling a niche that isn't occupied by several pure breeds, he said.

Hybrids are also not always healthier than purebreds, Reznik said. Many reputable breeders are now using genetic tests to ensure they produce animals free from diseases that muddy their breed.

Can anyone create a new breed? Could a Dandie Dinmont terrier be bred with a pharaoh hound to produce a Dandie pharaoh?

Creating a New Breed

Yes and no, said Manners. Not all hybrids are a good idea, and unfortunately the designer dog phenomenon has unleashed a surge of amateur breeders who lack credentials and genetics expertise.

For a breed to be successful there needs to an educated match, said Manners. Crossing a pug with a Pekingese, for example, could produce disastrous consequences.

Both breeds have eyes that easily pop out of the socket to rest on the cheek. Surgery is required to fix the injury, often at the cost of the dogs' sight. Breeding the two could yield a dog that literally has its eyes falling out, said Manners.

A Newfoundland and a Saint Bernard could generate a crippled giant—both of these breeds are plagued with hip dysplasia, a genetic disorder that often requires hip replacement before the dog is one year old.

© 1996-2005 National Geographic Society. All rights reserved.

Why would anyone deliberatley mix dogs? I mean, you need a lot of time and experience to make new breeds.

Although I agree that dogs should not be cross bred just for a lame fashion. But dogs like the Goldendoodle where originally bred to aid a blind australian who has severe allergies. She needed the Golden Retrivers for guidence, and mixing that with a poodle, helped her allergies. So that was originally why the Goldendoodle was bred. Other breeds however have just been crossed for shameless fashion and money.

Thanks Rhonda. =) Thats always what I post, but no one wants to listen to me becuase of my age...

NO designer mutt should be bred purposely, no matter what the cause. ANY dog can be trained to be a guide dog, even poodles. Though, others do specialize in it.

There has been quiet a number of designer mutt posts,and since they always start fights, I think a number of them are banned members that re-joined with new names.

That's true Trevor- the Lab/Golden/Poodle crosses are credited to an Australian organization for the blind who wanted to create an allergy friendly dog suitable for helper guidedog training (why they couldn't get their hands on a standard poodle, who knows...).

But they quickly abandoned this idea- as the crosses they envisioned to be kind to allergies turned out to be just as bad as a labrador in many cases.

You can't predict how much lab a lab cross will inherit. The same can be said about any mix. This argument also applies to the fools who breed their dog in order to get "a puppy JUST like Muffy!". TWO sets of genes are always involved. Where were these people in grade school biology?

Shadowdog, Thanks! I just noticed another new post by a "Gary" looking for a Puggle I thinki it was. You are more than likely right about them being banned members because there have been sooooo many! Allie needs to get her jars out now that she's back! :)

Rhonda

The thing that really cooks my goose about the "designer dogs" is that the people breeding them talk about how they are, "Hypoallergenic and non shedding like a Poodle and Fantastic dogs like a Lab without the hip problems" BUT what if you get the shedding like a lab, crappy personality from the poo or the miller lab, and hip dysplasia and no telling what else all in the same dog???

The genes don't know what is a "good" trait or a "bad" trait. Just as (in theory) you can get a great dog out of the deal, you can also get every single problem you are trying to avoid.

People would be way better off seeking out a breeder of a recognised breed (not crosses) who knows the lines and tests their dogs. It is a much surer deal. Or, they can look in the shelters if they want a mutt. Those guys really need homes. Sigh.

***Edited By: Hopesheltie on 2/3/2005 4:56:42 PM***
Reason: had to clarify something

There has been quiet a number of designer mutt posts,and since they always start fights, I think a number of them are banned members that re-joined with new names.

I don't think your age has anything to do with it, Shadow. At least not as far as I am concerned. You were old enough and smart enough to figure out what I copied and pasted here.

Great post Rhonda. Rarely have I seen a thread start out like this one. It is usually in the middle somewhere.

"But dogs like the Goldendoodle where originally bred to aid a blind australian"

I think you'll find that the Australian breeders created the Labradoodle for this purpose; and that Goldendoodles were not the product of a serious breeding program.

Thanks Cricketmom!

Rhonda

way to go rhonda !!!!!! so happy to see that it is not just me who feels this way. or that it is just the members of this board. i speak with all kinds of people every day in the animal field and not a single one of them has anything good to say about the breeding of these designer mutts.

i am sure some of the banned members keep coming back here because their forums are soooo dead and about nothing pet related. but keep in mind there are people out there who are not THEM and really do come here looking for advice or help. so try to continue to educate and don't not answer them because they MAY be a troll.

Thanks Rhonda and I also had another question answered for me because I was afraid to ask what a puggle was!

Labradoodle on Petfinder...

http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=3900315&adTarget=468doggeneral&SessionID=41f5e8c230e8950f-app5&display=&preview=1&row=225&tmpl=&stat=

Whoa! How and why did it do that many posts?

Yeah, I would like to make it clear I was not supporting designer mutts in that post. ;) I took it from an online cbs program, that did seem to be supporting the designer mutt breeds. They mentioned the pros and cons of both mutts and purebreds.

link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/29/earlyshow/contributors/debbyeturner/main646223.shtml

A gal that I work with was telling me that her friend is raising a litter of Labradoodles. I told her that they are just a mixed breed dog, she said no, they are a recognized breed. Give me a break.

I almost choked when she told me that they are going to ask $850 for them. That is unbelievable. Are there really people dumb enough to pay $850 for a dog that isn't even a purebred?

You could buy a good Lab or a good Poodle for that amount, but a mixed breed dog? Insane.

the names "Puggle" "goldendoodle" and "cockapoo" are sooooo stupid! its a Pug?beagle mix, a Poodle/Golden mix and a Cocker spaniel/poodle mix. Designer mutts? ha! funny stuff! they're the same as my Sophie, a MUTT!

It's pretty sad. Alot of people hve come on lately looking for these mutts and its getting very annoying. They could easily google instead of coming on here time and time again to bug us!

Thank you Rondakbt for saying it so well. Why some people refuse to believe it is beyond me, it seems so simple to understand.

I really think the designer dog trend is one that is hurting the progress that has been made on the issue of overpopulation. When a dog is proported to be "perfect" and then turns out to shed, or bark, or be very energetic, those people wanting perfect non shedding, non barking, non aggressive, smart, obedient, probably not peeing or pooping dogs tend to dump them off. And as someone else said, every one of these mixes can be found on petfinder, for WAY less money, not to mention without supporting this type of breeding and saving the life of the product of this kind of breeding.

That being said, I try to remember that not everyone knows about puppy mills or bybs. I stated in another post I had no idea until a few years ago when I started talking to other pet owners on places like this. Though my family always adopted, and I continued in that manner, I would not have had a clue that I shouldn't buy from a pet store or the conditions the dogs from there might be in. It just didn't make sense to me to buy when i could go to the shelter and pick one! So I try to be polite to the new posters asking about these designer dogs. They could be a troll, and then they could be someone like I was a few years ago, or like Acey when she bought from a pet store, someone who simply doesn't know yet. After all, it is a trend, and that would explain a sudden outburst of posts about it.

***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 2/3/2005 11:42:53 PM***
Reason: dfhewujqeru

Well put shinyblackpit. Not every one knows these things until it is explained to them...but is should be in a nice way.