Okay, I like the Roses song and all... but what does that have to do with anything? Would I suggest adopting a mix if i thought they were somehow not as good as any other dog? Well, no. I guess I would say buy a really expensive purebreed. I have never "bought" a dog in my life. It is not the dogs I disagree with, but the breeders.
Bessie, his kennel is actually right here in my state. The breeder that Missy's family comes from is friends with him, and he and my friend's husband have been to the kennel. James (friend's hubby) said the dogs there are very well taken care of. I am not ready to say boycott... Big Boi speaks very well of the dogs, and apparently takes good care of them, yet on the videos more of a fighting image is portrayed. It's hard to say.
They DO need to edit that RARE blue pit bull thing, since blues are no longer rare. They were at one time rare, because no pit bulls were blue long ago. Missy's breeder ( or her mom's, it gets confusing) believes that blues are not pure and will NOT use any in his breeding program. But I think they're beautiful.
***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 2/4/2005 12:31:57 AM*** Reason: 57uq35u8
well, that is just grand shiny, thanks for the heads up! i know that the hype works both ways, and it's great to hear some positive commentary. i'll make sure to pass it along to the person who sent me the OG info. and tell big boi hi for me, lol.
that is just a few of the Poodle X that i found when i was browsing through Petfinder.com . Here is your "rare" breed. Your "hybrid". I am sorry...I will always laugh when I hear someone say that they love the look of one of these dogs...there is no look. You can't count on any set look. What you should say is I like the look of puppies...because that is what it comes down to. Puppies are cute. No matter what the breed or mix breed.
Another note here. Please take the time to read this... There are many breeders out there doing this for a quick buck. With the new technology available and the quick sell of designer dogs, many do not need brokers to sell their puppies and they no longer keep a USDA license-NOT ALL USDA LICENSE HOLDERS ARE PUPPYMILLS. The USDA goes in and does routine inspections and has requirements that must be met. So there goes that inspector. If the state does not require a state license, many do not, there goes the inspection from a state inspector and also if no USDA or state inspections or licenses are held, then a vet becomes optional too. They can use a vet at their discretion, unlike those that are licensed. ANd who wants to pay a vet to come inspect if you don't have to or even care! And lastly, they are not able to register these puppies with a reputable registry that comes and conducts routine inspections, DNA's dogs and checks records. So here you have some cold hard facts. If you believe puppymills are a problem now, take out all the inspections and vet care and you will have a mess! There is no accountability for many of them and without DNA testing, you have no way to keep track of the parents and what age and condition the parents are in. Many breeders, yes I am a breeder-a very small one and would never do anything to jeoprodize my breeds and their bloodines, are going to this quick buck system and doing this with all of their dogs. BEWARE
One last thing and I swear I'll shut up. I have heard so many say this is a new breed. No it's not. Until the mix has come to a final agreement on the breed standard and they are mated together-2 of the same mix and finally recognized by a reputable registry, the are not new breeds. Granted all breeds started as mix, but mixing dogs doesn't create a purebred, it creates a mix. Once the proper channels have been taken and the mixed ones are mated together, then it has the opportunity to become a purebred or new breed.
Quote XjessicaXburgi: I will always laugh when I hear someone say that they love the look of one of these dogs...there is no look.
I don't get it. They like the way the dogs look. What do you mean by 'there is no look'?
I still stand that as long as the breeder is actually trying to do something to the dogs being bred, that's fine. I mean, if people are trying to make the labradoodle an official breed, and not in it just to make money, why all the hate? If they're good breeders, do all the testing, choose labradoodles that are healthy, interview potential buyers, don't charge over 1k for the dogs, what is wrong with that?
I'm not saying that that's what all labradoodle breeders are trying to do. I've yet to see a breeder like that.
Quick question: If you were to breed 2 pugs that had longer snouts and less-bulgy eyes than normal, will the puppies have not-so bulgy eyes and longer snouts as well?
If so, why dont' breeders do that, rather than breeding to the breed standard which says that pugs have short snouts and bulgy eyes if short snouts and bulgy eyes can cause respiratory problems?
I hope we are not forgetting about the dog it self. The breeder of these animals is a skunk to me but I am worried that the dogs who are being bread are going to be the one's who suffer from of all this in the end.
From all the talk about not liking a dog who is mixed. They shouldn't die because of someone's selfish acts.
So, please lets not stop caring about them. They should not be put to sleep because of people are doing. This doesn't mean they are not adoptable dogs.
I think, who ever posted that dog, that dog was a cuttie pie. I don't care if they are mixed or purebred. I love all dogs and I am not partial to any type of dog. So it wouldn't matter to me what bread of dog it was if it was in a shelter. Buying it from a breeder I would say no thanks. I hope they get banned for doing that but they won't.
I am totally with you on the fact that there are too many dogs at the shelters... but are you trying to say that there are not pure breds there as well??? I bet there are as many pure breds as there are mixed breeds. Instead of being against mixed breeds. Why don't you be against all breeders until the shelters are empty?? Your response is greatly appreciated.
There are not as many pure breeds are mixes in the shelter. Most of the purebreeds in the shelter are from someone that bred their dog one time to get a puppy from Fluffy.
The people that show with AKC make up about 1% of registration. The other 9% goes to mills, and the other 90 or so goes to one time breeders, or people that have a litter now and then but do not do it serious.
I want afghan hounds, not mutts. I am not going to find afghan hounds piled up in the pound, begging for homes. They rarely last longer then a day and a half before rescue has swooped down and they are lounged on someones couch, groomed and well fed waiting for a new home.
The pound problem is because to many owners are irresponsible and see their pets are disposable or "just a dog" and what does it matter. Many old dogs are kicked out when they start having health problems becuase their owners "are NOT going to spend that money on a DOG".
I had a lady come into my clinic and ask me if she should put down her 12 year old dog since all of her friends told her that it was old and time to be put down. The dog was in perfect health.
I don't think that really addressed my question, but... where do you get your "most pure breds in shelters are owners that wanted Fluffy to have pup.." If everyone is soooooo concerned about shelter dogs, everyone should stop breeding. I just do not understand where you are coming from.... if the shelter dogs are reeeeeaaaaaallly what you are worried about, don't go looking for your "afghan hounds"... save a shelter dog. And if you do not like me telling YOU what to do, then maybe you should think twice about telling others what to do. Just a thought.
What i meant was there is no certain look is that you can't plan on every puppy looking exactly the same. They could look more one breed than the other.
I am not against mixed breeds themselves...but i am against mixing the breeds on purpose. Many people say that every purebred that we have now was mixed from something else. Where this is true...there are plenty plenty breeds as is...what is the point of making more? I am sure that anyone could find just what they are looking for in the breeds of dogs there already are.
The point of making more breeds is that the old ones were breed originally to do a job, hunt, herd, guard. the scope of a dogs life within a humans has changed. most breeds were not soley created to be pets. I was once strongly against doodle mixes. and still find some sales tactics replusive. but these are the first breeds to bred to be pets. now this could have great affect on our shelters. in a perfect world we would hope these dogs would breed for great companions. most breeds out there I would call diffcult breeds. meaning they are hard to train,control, and live with. now breeding two dogs of different lineage is not such a bad thing...if what the breeder is shooting is to make a good pet. the amount of dogs out there is not the problem or how many breds. the problem is that industry is poorly goverened and for the most unregulated. anyone can bred anyone can own. now this is a jump but when someone buys, let's say a car. you have to prove you know how to drive it. they dealer will give you a book on how to take care of it (written by someone with creditails). you have to get insurance required by law. there are clear rules you have to follow. to learn these rules you go to regulated agency and get material to study or go to a private source for professional instrution that has to be endorsed by the dmv. we all know cars can be dangerous. especially if we do not know how to operate one. now owning a dog can be very dangerous and far more tricky than driving. but legally a breeder is not required to damn thing except give you the dog. you are not required to know any thing about a dog to get one. oh! one thing get it registered and rabies. so if it does bite we know the vicitim won't die. owning a dog, as we all know is not an easy task and takes quite bit of knowledge to do it properly and humanely. this is the problem. it's a canine free for all out there
PETSRFUN-In recent printed research, 75% of the dogs in shelters and pounds are mixed. Of the 25% that are purebred or look to be purebred, almost 95% of them are adopted. I do not have the percentage of the mixed that adopted or put to sleep. Here's the fact and a fact, I know I will be slammed for it. Responsible breeders are meeting the demands of what certain people want. Many do not want a mixed puppy, so the most that responsible breeders are doing is not forcing people into shelters which if a person has in their mind what they want, they will never be satisified with having to settle-this is proven. If the breeder truly cares they specify, spay and neuter and offer to place the puppy or dog if it cannot be kept and specify that they are not to be taken to a shelter. It is the people who had an oops because they did not meet their responsibilities in fixing their dog.A giveaway puppy is more likely to end up in a shelter than one that is paid for-regardless if it is designer or purebred. These are facts. At our shelters here, many lab owners believe it is their god given right to not fix their dogs and oops, another breed breeds it and now we have lots of giveaways. Well Bob down the street gets one and figures, I didn't pay for it, lets dump it or give it to the shelter. If they had paid for it, they would try to resell (even though I am not really keen on this) the puppy or dog to another home. We have had many, many dumped here at our farm in the country. It is downright sad. We have never had a purebred dog or cat dumped here. We have taken it upon ourselves to place them as we do our puppies. All ages of dogs and cats that are usually around 8 months. The problem with designer dogs is that the adult look cannot be predicted. If it turns out not as cute and the owner doesn't have his or her heart in it, the puppy will be given up.
Why on earth would be mix two seperate breeds on purpose? Dogs should not be crossbred for a lame fashion. Thank you so much for starting this post. I am so, so glad I finally get my chance to express my views on this subject. Thank you again Rhondakbt. Designer breeds really bother me. I don't believe that this is the first post about designer mutts. Infact, I've seen several. Rhondakbt, I'm glad to see that you are against designer mutts too. Go Rhindakbt, you tell them! lol I have a question for you, but I was kind of afraid to ask, do you think my Jasper could have been an attempt at a larger Cockapoo? You can see tons of attemmpts at designer mutts on petfinder.com that people just have gotten tired of. Wow, I can't believe all the people that are dumb enough to get into this sort of thing. Yeah, you seriously can't love dogs too much if you will support a designer breed. Someone from my high school was telling me that she had a litter of Westiepoos. The names are so stupid too. Thanks again Rhondakbt for starting this post. There had been a progress on the overpopulation of dogs, but now that the designer mutt fad is out, it has really taken a tole at it. I agree with you fully shinyblackpits.
Petsrfun-- The reason not to be against ALL breeding is that if we do not have dogs being bred by responsible people to breed standard, the differences between breeds would become less. As it is, you can somewhat know what the basic adult size of your cocker spaniel will be, have an idea whether he will be a good dog for children, know what his grooming will consist of, and what health problems they may be more prone to. Without good breeders, all dogs would be mixed. Eventually it would be difficult to say what they were mixed with, if nobody is creating any to breed standard. You could not get a puppy and have a resonable expectation of whether it will be large or small, expected characteristics.
I think very, very few people should be breeding and the ones that are should be really tough on themselves in deciding which dogs are appropriate to breed. That is a whole new topic, but of all the people I know both in person and from message boards, I can think of only two breeders of APBTs that I consider good breeders.
***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 2/5/2005 11:37:04 AM*** Reason: tquqe85387
I am in the minority in that I do not think it is wrong to mix dogs for the purpose of producing companion pets. I had a bad experience with a mutt that I got from a shelter. I don't like purebreds because they come with a host of health problems. No breeder is going to tell you that your new lab is not going to have lab-related health problems. They can test until they're blue in the face and never be able to guarantee. My new puppy is a mix between a cavalier king charles spaniel and a poodle. He's a mutt. I know he's a mutt. I didn't pay $1000 for him either. I checked out the breeder, saw her setup, got references, all the stuff you need to do no matter what breed you're buying. There is no guarantee he won't have health problems too, but the chances are no greater than any other mutt.