A thought--all domestic breeds were originally a wolf. Then people decided they wanted to emphasize certain attibutes--hence a new breed was born! If everyone was as close-minded as some people are when it comes to creating a new breed--we would all still have a wolf as our pet!!! Granted that was centuries ago, but the theory still applies today. The only reason there are so many different 'pure-breeds' today is because different people wanted different attibutes in their pet than their neighbors had. Whether it was for a specific function--hunting, coursing, herding, or for a great temperament on a lap companion.
It's too bad there are always sceptics and critics to every and anything new. Close-minded people don't accomplish much progress.
Also I too disagree with the price gouging going on for so-called designer type breeding...there are always some people who capitalise on other's efforts.
Please don't put down ALL efforts to create new breeds or you may be missing out on the best dog we could create to date....
Again as said so many times it is not so much a new breed any of us are against it is the random crossbreeding with mo testing and it is beind done no to create a new breed but to come out with these taylored pups. In short it is massive mutt breeding for big dollars.
sorry but i think we have all gotten the picture here. if this fighting is going to continue this whole thread is going to be deleted. therefore no one will be able to read any valuable information that may be contained amongst all the bickering. we have no locking feature on this board so the only choice is to delete the whole thing.
Another note--I have also noticed a lot of purebreds in the shelters as well--so I guess it doesn't really matter what the canine is--it could end up in a shelter--basisically it comes down to people being heartless and has nothing to do with what 'breed' or not-breed it is...
I am against cross breeding ONLY because there are all to many mutts in this world that need homes. there is NO NEED WHAT SO EVER to make 'new breeds', hence there are like over 100 already. 100 different breeds, and many mutts to choose from. Aren't you satisfied with that?
Sure, all breeds started out as a wolf (to tell yuo the truth, I wouldn't mind a wolf as a pet) but there wasn't already thousands of homeless mutts back then, was there? o.o
This is the very same thing that goes on every week here. I don't even bother to read it all. I just start hearing Blah blah blah blah. Its the very same thing. All dogs were born and created by mixing. If done in a healthy manner, I do not mind it. And yes there are plenty of purebred breeds in the shelters too. Many, not just mixes. People have the right to get a dog whichever way they please, without anyone trying to make them feel guilty.
Puttin510, yes there are purebreds in shelters. 75% of the dogs are mutts, and purebreds are usually the first to be adopted. Would you rather see thousands of mutts to put to sleep because of people bringing even MORE mutts into this world?
Of course not, but talking to certain people that are thinking about breeding needs to be done in a special way. I can not stop anyone from doing what they want to do. But telling them in an educational manner in my veiw is better that the way many here do it. Its always going to be the same. Until someone puts up laws saying no more breeding till all shelters are emptied. Or something like that. Theres always going to be the accidental breeding also. People going thru that with their pets should be given the benifite of doubt. Sure they should have spayed and neutered. I bet they wish they had now, but now they need help. Real help not being yelled at. My pup is to be spayed in a week and a half. Any dog that comes anywhere near her that even thinks about mounting her will get my shoe up its you know what. Sorry but I don't want any mail invading my girl.
I have only been a member of this forum for a very short time. I have only posted once or twice when I had genuine concerns about my dogs and wanted help or advice. But even though I have only posted once or twice doesn't mean that I haven't read all the threads and visited this forum for a long time. I have read all of the different threads about the "designer mutts." Although I agree with a lot of what you guys have to say, a lot of you tend to be very rude about it. Anytime I see a post from Shadowdog when it deals with "designer mutts" I hesitate to even read it. I'm not saying she is the only one that can be rude and try to shove her opinions down people's throats, she is just someone that always stands out. And yes, I know ppl are going to be really upset and want to agrue when they read this post, but what else is new? All anybody does on here is argue anymore. I think its pathetic and wrong. You claim to be a forum that is about the love for your dogs but all that a lot of you seem to do is argue with ppl to boost your own ego. I really do feel sorry for the ppl that come to this forum innocently looking for help or advice about their dog.
Since I don't want to be the one responsible for the deletion of this thread (among 125 + threads there HAS to be some good info lol), I won't respond to the latest personal mischaracterization.
All I was doing was expressing my opinion, not trying to be a hall monitor or whatever. I just echo the sentiments that MANY other new members have that there is a respectful way and a disrespectful way to give someone your opinion. Thats all. I'm sorry that was so controversial! Read through alot of the threads and you'll see a good number of members who do not feel welcome. (quick example--from the yorki poo thread: "Puppie, you may email me at ******@yahoo.com. After being bashed on this website, I'm not too eager to continue to post here. Thanks!"). Do we really want people feeling like this?
Lets all get back to the doggies and as always--encourage adoption :)
Actually i am not ok with the acidental breeding as I see it as the pet owners responsability to ensure their dog is spayed or neuterd to prevent this. To me if the animal is not altered then the owner knows the animal can reproduce. And it no longer to me becomes an accident. I guess it all comes down to being a responsable pet owner.
Yes, accidental breeding is bad. Mostly, it's with unresponsible owners. But no matter what we do, there will still probably be that accidental. For now, we jsut have to work on the ones purposely breeding.
I'm a newbie here,but some of what is being mentioned caught my eye. I've been a breeder of puppies for almost twenty-five years. Now and then one of my girls would deliver priceless cross-breds and I would find them forever homes, the difference and my beef is I didn't charge, I feel that the scam is taking money for crosses, is what is destroying the rep of breeders. If a breeder would sale the public a cross bred, than how can you trust that breeder to sale you a pure bred when the price is the same. I love dogs so much I've invested years into raising dogs as a part of my life, I also made money from the venture, I'm not sainted for sure, but the integrity of breeding for quality of the standards for purity of established breeds is all but lost. Once upon a time breeding was about the standards of the breed, now anything goes! I love dogs all shapes and sizes, but if you breed the money for your puppies should be gotten by means of improving the breed, show casing the remarkable talentsof the breed, and finally help divert milling dogs as a livihood. If anything goes then so will the standards traits talents and breeding trusts. If I went to buy a dog for breed standards and was choosing a pure bred dog I'd look else where if the breeder had various breeds and cross breed galore! And didn't mind charging you the same price for either puppy! Thank you.
I probably have what people consider a designer dog, I never heard that term till I got on this forum. As far as I am concerned Cody is and will always be a "Mix" breed, I never thought of him as a new breed. Cody is a Bichon Frise/Westie mix. When we were looking for a new pup after we had to put our 13 yr. old golden retreiver/collie Mix down I did a lot of research on different breeds, we usually went to the Humane Society to get our dogs but this time I knew we had to get a SMALL dog as I am getting older and I take him to the vets/groomers and wherever else I was having trouble with our 65lb. Buddy who came from the Humane Society and was suppose to be a large small dog tops, well that didn't turn out to be true anyways we saw this ad in the newspaper for a Bichon Frise/Westie mix and I had been very serious about getting a Westie so I quickly did some fast research on Bichons and found out they were about the same size etc. as westies so I knew this mix breed would be small. He came from a litter of 4 males, we took over 2 hours to pick him out and haven't regreted it one bit. He is sooo much fun and loves to be around people. He is difintely a mama's boy but she loves to play hard with my husband and grown boys. We didn't get him because he was a "Designer" dog, to us he is a "mix" but now when I take him out I feel that people are thinking "Designer" dog and I feel a little funny about that. Cody is just a GREAT mix breed that has brought so much joy to our lives and our whole family adores him . If people want to think he is a designer dog I will let them but if they ask me what breed he is I always answer a mix Bichon Frise/Westie, i never pretend he is a new breed. I have owned purebreds and mixes and I love them all the same, I am not ashamed to say he is a mix. Oh yeah, we didn't pay that much for him, I can not believe the price some people pay for a dog, mix or purebred.
***Edited By: codys mom on 6/12/2005 9:16:44 PM*** Reason: Forgot to mention price.
I do not agree with ALL hybrid dogs being mixed. Like the Puggle they both have the same medical problems so now it is twice as bad potentially. I just bought a Rat-Poo or Rat Terrier/Poodle mix for $399. Not too bad I thought. These are Mutts, but then again, not mutts. They (or atleast mine) have the breeder and pure breed (with papers) parents. Most the mutts you get in the pound are like americans...they have a little of this and that from the dad, and a little of this and that from the mom. So if you get a terrier MIX, chances are you have a terrier/lab/shitzu/poodle mix. And because they are from pure breed parents you know the medical problems and temperment that could be possible.
ShadowDog....had to do it....i am new here but you have no idea what you are talking about. Do you know why there are so many MIXED breeds in the shelter? Because the pure breeds are not being FIXED then they go out to pee and end up getting pregnant...then those pure breed owners give them up to whoever is at Wal-mart and they can't take care of them. With this hybrid dog phenomenon maybe the people that are waiting for a mixed dog will go to the shelter....maybe they will get lucky and find a pure breed Hybrid. Maybe the pure breed owners need to keep there non-fixed dogs on a leash or get them fixed...then we will not have all the mutts in the shelter. Everyone that I have met that has a hybrid loves them to death and here in Southern California (where trends are started) 80% of the people would take a hybrid over a pure breed. And on my trip to the shelter (before i bought my rat-poo) i saw about 60% pure bred and 40% mutts...the Beagles, Labs, Rotts, Pitt Bulls, and Poodles are taking over the shelters...why??? because the breeders arent telling these families how hard it is to have a Lab...or that Beagles bark ALOT, or that Pitts and Rotts need to be raised right and not as a "tough guy" accessory...and that poodles are really mean sometimes. Education is what we need. And if hybrids make everyone love their pets more then let it be.
***Edited By: hands34 on 1/9/2006 7:48:46 PM*** Reason: spelling
you know, somebody else has already said it but people do have a right to want the kind of dog that they want and if they are willing to pay for it why does it bother all of you breeders of purebreds. i breed purebreds and also some poodle mixes. i have very healthy dogs, all tested and you know the poo mixes are what people want right now. i think that some of you are sure that everybody that would breed a mix is a byb. i want you to know that my puppies are taken care of a lot better than most breeders i see. never have i had a dog to have her pups anywhere but in the house. they never go outside until they leave my house. all are vet checked, shots and potty pad trained, and well socialized. I used to work at a kennel that only had purebreds and none of them were taken care of as well as i take care of mine. so why does it bother some of you so much when it is really nobodys business what kind of dog a person wants or how much they are willing to pay for it.