Have a question. I considered myself to be an intelligent woman. I worked for a small and large animal vet for yrs.
I had horses, cows, sheep, pigs, dogs, cats...etc....did the vaccinations on them and knew the problems.
Since then, became paramedic and 911 dispatcher as it payed the bills a bit better, but....
I couldnt find a bull terrier in Ohio. Googled and found this site, and a breeder. Decent price and he shipped.
He talked to us on the phone, comforted us with helping us choose the pup HE would for breeding,(sent a pic of just the three females) we have a lifelong friend with him and he will be there for us.....etc etc etc...
All the stuff ya wanna hear.
Got the contract and looked it over. Looked good.
Paypaled the money. 900.00 for pup and shipping.Asked if he could hold her till 3-5 as we are moving into a different house. Sure, no problem. Here is where the fun starts.
All of a sudden, I cant seem to get a hold of him anymore. I finally took a stronger stance and he did email, apologized, etc..I asked for pics of her.
Got one on a blanket with a website underneath it...
A website with alot of other pets on it.....seemed odd. Why would OUR pup be on there? Hes selling her to me.
Get another pic of her, after pulling teeth and markings on nose are different and there is no spot on the ear.
We get the pup after MUCH protest, and she has no spot and her nose is almost all black, the pics he sent before had more pink.
Hence, I got a different one.
So, she is tiny. 2 lbs. For an 8 wk bullie. Not a mini. I am betting she is only 4-5 wks at best. Off momma, and worse off for infections...
She is fed same stuff as he gave her Eukanuba, wetted down and she tore into it the first nite. She went down hill after that, with not drinking anything, I did the pedialite, the chicken broth, the rice and the burger, but she kept going downhill.
Enter loose stools.
Then with a tinge of blood.
Fiance took her to a vet, and she was 8-10% dehydrated. Got fluids and force fed and fought it...(good sign) got wormed, neg on parvo, thank god.
I got a 500 vet bill now. She pulled an overniter in the emergency clinic, and vet said she still isnt out of the woods totally.
My question is, does this happen often? How can I report this guy to local authorities? The vet is appalled that the pup shipped this young. He said if it IS 8 wks, I got a runt....hardly the breeding stock I asked for. Her nose isnt as roman, but Gosh, I just love her anyways. Its killing me to work here at 911 tonight and have her sick.
Someone throw me a lifeline. Is there any way to get this guy off here? hes got chihuahuas too. I worry he is more a puppy miller than a breeder. My pups vet cert is from MEXICO and in spanish mostly as her vaccinatiion booklet is too. OY. I dont even know if MEXICO has same standards as USA would have. I am in Ohio btw.
I feel like a sh*t for getting her sent asap, cause I didnt wanna lose my 900 bucks, and she went thru hell and I am doing all I can to get her better.
heres his ad...the bullie one has been pulled about a wk after he posted it.
omg traumma i hope ur baby gets well, i live in ohio also i'm close 2 cincinnati , where r u ? i am taking some lady to court i got a puppy off of her here in ohio a couple of mos ago it's a english bull dog , she is so precious , i was led 2 think she had a uti , but come to find out she has spina biffida, she lives in diapers i change her diaper like every 15 min at the least , she can run , hop, play just like a normal bully , u can contact who the dog is registered through let them know , and they can take their rights away 2 ever let them register pups again , contact the local hummane society where they live at let em do a home visit 2 c how the dogs/ pups are there , if the dogs r imported contact the airport where they was shipped tp you at the customs there cause they have 2 b so old 2 go through customs, reprt em ... hope this helps sorry about ur sick bay hope it recovers 100 % my prayers r with u
I am soo glad I came here. (my exclamation point doesnt work on this keyboard...or I would use it freely) lol
Yes, I printed out a bunch of numbers for local law enforcement and aspca in his area.
Also, fellow bullie lover, your idea about notifying the CKC is AWESOME. I would have never thought to do that.
I will see what he has to say about my email, first and get MY vets papers in my hands. Lord knows, I dont wanna send her back there, as he said he would take her back per the contract. I just LOVE her, even if she isnt a breeding type dog....
And it got me thinking...I wonder if that puppy DID come from mexico....I just figured he took her to a vet there, as he was close to the border. Now, I am not so sure. Something aint right.
I am sooo sorry that YOUR dog is going thru all her problems...
Bless little Stitches heart (Lilo and Stitch, the evil pointy eared alien? I thought it would be perfect) She still goes and tries to hit the papers when he has to pee and poop. God love the house breaking pads. She hated the outside...I imagine, that all that time in the cargo area was hard enough on her..
I will pray for you too. Keep the good advice coming. I am new to a purebred ownership. I wanted a bullie as long as I can remember and this is heartwrenching.
trauma , you are so very welcome & thx 4 keepn peanut in your prayers also, there is always a chance that his puppies are being imported and to have a pup imported they have to be so old to do so to get past customs , i found this out a few weeks back after i got peanut i called a man thats always in the papers here regaurding english bull dog puppies he had for sale , and he also sales frenchies, well we talked on the phone for close to a hour and he polietly let me know that the pups are being imported he told me also that the only thing wrong with his pups is that their paper work will say that they are 12 weeks old but they are really 8 weeks old , i said why u do this for ? he said to get em through customs, he has his pups flown in from amsterdamn to michigan so i called the airport in michigan and spoke to customs there to let them know what he's doing and they told me it's fraud, i did end up getting me another english bull dog puppy his name is bruno he's 11 weeks old now, he is keeping us & peanut on the go & alot happier i never dreamed i could be any happier , it does sound like a byb to me or a puppy mill, i would deffiently have him checked out asap. and i do hope your baby recovers 100 %. what part of ohio u from ? i am in the cincinnati area. he also misrepsenated the pup ( probably spelled it wrong ) that you was supposed to of gotten. by the way it sounds to me. i can't stand ppl thats out to make a quick buck off of puppies. i give so much to try to make peanut happy & bruno , i just don't understand ppl in life. a pup or a dog is meant to be loved not used for $$$$
There isnt a date on the health certificate either!!! Looks like a form that is just printed out and penciled in with info. They did say she was 10 lbs. The scales must be different in mexico. My vet said she was 2.2 last nite.
Also, that she is about 3-4 wks old....argh.
Long road ahead for us. She is very playful and funny today and is taking water and pedialyte from a dropper WILLINGLY.
My gfs lab had pups....What do you think about her being a surrogate for her for a few wks? Would that help? The pups are around the same age, just a bit younger.
wow, what an ordeal--i'm exhausted for you. i'm glad you find a site where you can vent and hopefully get some info to put that you-know-what out of biz. glad to hear your pup is feeling better, hope it continues that way. and welcome to the forum!
omg did u say she is between 3 - 4 weeks old ? what is this person thinking ? omg . i am very pizzed now. yes try 2 see if the lab mommy can help you out. cause puppies need milk if not go 2 the pet store get some replacement milk they sale. it has everything in it also that the mommies milk has in it. omg there is nooooooooo way a pup that young can be shipped legally.if you get a chance could u plzzz e mail me at email@example.com my name is shon my hubby is bob. when u go 2 e mail me let me know it's from you. what is this idiot thinking ? he needs to be well i can't say on here. and also if you have yahoo messenger plz add that e mail addy to your messenger. i am glad to hear that the baby is perking up 4 u. i am keepn u in my prayers. but yes pedyalite is also good , but u also need mommies milf either from the lab or from a can from your local pet store. wondering why the vet never gave u any either. u can use a eye dropper or a puppy bottle.good luck xxxooo's to u both
USDA guidelines are a pup HAS to be 8 weeks old before it can be shipped. and any thing over 12 weeks has to have a rabies shot. they have to have a health certificate- from a certified vet, stating the dates of their shots and AGE. the certicates are ### and the DEPT. of ANIMAL HEALTH for each state has a copy of who gets what #####. call the USDA also. there are MAJOR laws to keep this from happening- to keep people from bringing in sick animals to containinate the US . sorry about your dog. also the vet can be fined $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$for his part in the scam. after the ^%&^*$^&^#% who sold you the dog causes him to lose his license!!!!!!!!!
I think I'm dealing with this same person. Recently I purchased a Female English Bulldog pup. The flags went up but I didn't pay any attention. It was a great price. I paid for this puppy and then he was difficult to reach. I emailed, phoned not luck, then finally I reach him last Tuesday and he told me he's shipping me the dog that night. Needless to say I never received the dog, nor any return phone calls. I paid by Western Union like he asked so Iíll never see that money again. I reported him to my local police as well as the Houston police and I filed a fraud complaint with Western Union, who has a photo ID and video that they will provide to the police. I also spoke with terrificpets.com to let them know of this scam he is running. I filed a complaint with the Internet Fraud Complaint Center IFCC (FBI) at http://www.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp, something you might want to do. This information is kept on a national database once a complaint is made.
Sorry, I know this is hell. When I emailed him that I had reported him to the police I got an email saying he was mailing me a refund. Still waiting. I received an email form him on Monday stating that Iím portraying myself as a victim and he was going to report me as a puppy buying scammer.
wow! Is he under the same site as what I posted the link to the ad I answered? Do you have the link? I saved every correspondence I had with him, and if you email me, girlie, I can give you more info. Racknmare@yahoo.com
The paperwork said she was 8 wks. But, looking at her, I can tell you she aint.
And there was no date on the health cert. Doesnt someone from usda have to look at her before getting on the plane?
go to the web site for USDA and print out the guidelines for shipping pets, that way you know what the procedure is. any time i am to ship a pet i have my buyer print that off so that they know the procedure too. go to contiental an see what theirs is. i use NORTHWEST, and have shipped prob. 10 pups and they have been great. the buyers tell me how the pups "aren't as scared as i thought they would be" so i know that they are taking care of them. and the people i deal with here are STICKERS for rules.
Hey I was google searching to find out what is going on with my pup and he is a chihuahua but has many of the same symptoms. Did your puppy pull through? I am attaching my post from other sites and you can see what is going on with my baby. I am very worried and really want to get to the bottom of this. I think my breeder also sent mine early and I want to stop her!
Here is my problem: Sorry my first post to your this group has to be on a bad note but I have a major problem. PLEASE HELP ME IF YOU CAN... PLEASE I NEED HELP! I just got my baby chi on Sunday 7-3 along with my sister we got brothers from a lady in Okalahoma. His name is Romeo and he never was really peppy. I brought him to the ER Tuesday night cause he was acting weird, since this is my first chi I had no idea what to do. They said he had low blood sugar and hooked him up to an IV. Next morning to the vet and he said the pup only needed to be force fed. (PS I don't have this vet anymore cause he didn't seem to care) By Thursday 9pm he was acting weird again ( I suppose it is called 'posturing' before a seizure) brought him back to the ER and he stayed again with low (REAL low teens) blood sugar. They kept him alive till morning so he could go to this new (really good/caring vet) they watched him all day and told me they were going to make sure he was good to come home Saturday at 9am. I picked him up with instructions for 2 hour feeding intervals and followed the directions till about 2 when he was once again posturing. I brought him to the ER again. He is now there waiting till Monday for Liver, (Bile?? urine??test) Anyhow I am in law school, make no money less than $800 a month, take care of my brothers and sisters because our mom died, and am now going to have my car repossed because I am using my money to keep my dog for these tests on Monday! I don't know what to do I have paid over $1400 outside of the price of him since Tuesday to help him and I have nothing left and don't know where to turn. I love him so much, its crazy how attached you can get just caring 24/7 for the little guy. I can't express how horrible the breeder is, between yelling at my vet, calling me a 'stupid kid', constantly interrupting me, telling me if I 'had just listened', switching around everything I say, and so much more! All I wanted was some answers from her not anything more. The vet says he has low sugar, low blood protein, anemic (white gums), and he feel gushy ( I don't remember the medical term for water or liquid seeping out into under his skin). I am a wreck so I am really sorry about spelling and grammar, etc. Please if you have any suggestions please, please send me them at melissa_palombit@... I am willing to try anything for Romeo to live and of course not suffer. He deserves a life and I hate this breeder I want to make sure she can never hurt anyone like she has to me. Thank you for helping. ~Melissa PS if you are wondering I did sign a contract with her but she is responsible within 10 days and congenital defects (which the vet considers this problem to be) PPS I couldn't send Romeo back (not that I would ever) because the vet wont sign his health certificate.
Monday morning: Still in the vet. The ER gave his steroid for his intestine, a blood transfusion of plasma, and an antibiotic for bacteria that he might have. The regular vet is really worried he still won't perk up and spit up his last tube feeding which they started doing every 2 hours last night. He thinks it is related to the liver which he can't test cause one test involves starvation for 8 hours and the other would be to take a byopsy and Romeo wouldn't survive it. PLEASE HELP.