Is 8 weeks old too young? I wasn't sure if they'd have the power in their jaw to crunch them. I know we started giving them to Floyd when he was about 14 weeks (when we learned in Puppy Preschool that he should eat them for his teeth).
Who told you to give your dog raw anything? No no please this is not a healthy diet for your dog. Especially chicken. There are too many problems that can come out of feeding your dog a diet like this.
Using themf or teething would work, it may take her a bit to go through them. I'd wait till she had more bacteria in her gut and a more developed digestive track, so about 4 months is a good time to start.
pitsanddobes I beg to differ. My dogs are all fed a raw/natural/species appropriate diet and are all very healthy. Have you ever fed a dog/puppy a raw diet? Or have you read about or known anyone who feeds raw? You really should learn more about it before you give advice on the subject.
I began feeding Winston raw at 5 months of age. It's very important that you feed an appropriate well balanced raw diet if you are going to feed completely raw. If you are just going to feed raw chicken,beef etc..as snacks or an occasional meal that is fine to but just remember as with any diet change there is a possibility of stomach upset until their body adjusts to the change.
**Edited to add...Heffanator chicken bones are not bad for dogs when they are fed raw. My dogs get various chicken parts/bones 3-4 days a week. Bones are only dangerous when cooked.
Raw boens Heff are soft and porus. Cooked they become brittle and sharp. The hollow aspect of avian bone is one reason they scrape the teeth so well and remove even thick nasty built up plaque better then anything we make for them. Plus they are healthy and fully digestable.
Just get a peice of raw chicken and bend the bone. Use a wing, and notice the flex of the bone.
Floyd LOVES them...he scoffs them down so quick. I get scared that he's not eating them properly sometimes but if you watch him, he's crunching the bone up...just really quickly. It's quite funny to watch.
And we went to the vet the other day and she said his teeth were good except for a little bit of build up at the very very back but only on one side. I thought "that's strange...only one side?"
We figured it out....The idiot only chews his chicken wings on one side!!! One side of his back teeth are perfectly clean and the other side is a little bit yellow!
I have actually done much research on the subject and found that my statement holds true this diet is not healthy for dogs. While many dogs do fine on it for some time the long term effects are what one needs to worry about. I am absolutly dead against a raw diet for dogs. They are not wild they are domesticated and should be fed as such. this is a controversial issue and there really is no way both sides will ever agree but I will continue to strongly advise against it. Perhaps you should research how the chickens you eat each day are raised and then when done tell me if you even want to eat them let along feed them to your dogs. No I stand behind my statement Raw diets are definatly not good for your dog.
Pitsanddobes, I totally agree with you and so does my vet. I asked her about giving my female raw meat when she was pregnant, because I read that you should on here. She told me that a dog should never eat raw meat. I posted that on TP, and got the same response as you did, plus that I should find another vet. I didn't. You mentioned that these are not wild dogs, very good point.
Pitsanddobes- have you done that research on what goes into COMMERCIAL dog diets? It's much easier to control what types of meats your dog is exposed to with a raw diet- and yes, I am extremely anal about making sure any meat product my dogs recieved is free range and hormone free.
When I see the ingredient lists on grocery store kibble, I want to throw up! Meat-meal? Poultry-meal? Goodness knows what that means- roadkill? Zoo animals?
Dogs are domesticated, yes- but internally, they are still CARNIVORES. What does a carnivore eat? Corn-meal and rice? Beet pulp?
I agree- it's perhaps controversial with people who have really fallen for the lies commercial dog food vendors have put out there in the last century, but really- what were dogs surviving on before "Dog Chow" made it on the market? And what did all the meat packing, cereal packing and liquor companies do with all the stuff unfit for human consumption? Why are dogs more prone to allergies now? Ask an OLD vet- they'll tell you! You didn't see today's malladies on dogs who were fed meat- before commercial kibble came on the market.
yep sure have and I am appauled that they are even putting euthanized dogs in some of the dog food! No wonder our dogs are getting sick and ending up with cancer. That is why I feed my dogs Iams and Eukanuba. I used to work directly with that company and know what goes into the food. I also never said not to feed meat I said not raw meat. I feed my dogs meats but they are cooked. I make my own soft dog food from scratch. But I am sorry i am not going to feed my dogs raw meat. If it is not good for me to eat my dogs do not eat it either. Period. If I would not take the chance and eat it why would I feed it to my beloved pets? Just because I am not posting a long list of indesputable facts in my defence does NOT mean I have not done the research on this. I certainly have and AGAIN a raw diet is not good for your dog. Raw meats that is. Now certain veggies you grow yourself without pesticides and such is one thing but not raw meat.
I do actually i cook livers gizzards and hearts for my dogs but i get them from local farmers that slaughter their own chickens. Those that I know care for their flock and do not use chemicles harmful to me or my pets. I use this and minimal ammount of water and boil them up then puree them in the blender and seal in tupperwear and freeze. I use this thinned as gravy or thicker like can dog food. They get the vitamins and such that they need and it really helps with dogs that are underweight.
BTW we are also carnivores so are you saying we too should be eating raw meat? What is the problem with cooking it first?
***Edited By: pitsanddobes on 2/28/2005 12:52:42 PM*** Reason: add
Pitsanddobe while you are doing your research on raw food you may want to look at the food you feed. I don't feed raw but I do feed the "best" food on the market that money can buy and I do give my dogs raw soup bones. Iams and Eukanuba have to be two of the worst foods on the list of foods that are supposed to be considered "high quality". You say that you won't let your dogs eat things that you wouldn't eat but would you eat what is in the dry kibble you are feeding your dogs? Corn meal for example is very high on the ingredients list and it has been proven to be very highly allergenic. Also both foods contain Chicken by-products meal. Chicken byproduct meal consists of the dry, ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs, and intestines -- exclusive of feathers except in such amounts as might occur unavoidably in good processing practices.
Chicken byproduct meal is an inconsistent ingredient because of the multiple organs used, their constantly changing proportions, and their questionable nutritional value. Chicken byproduct meal is much less expensive and less digestible than chicken meal, which is considered the single best source of protein.
Now, Pits- we all know that cooking meats destroys nutrients. And it's easy to understand why dogs (and their brethren) are not vulnerable to the same bacteria that humans are when you examine their digestive system! Dogs have a short intestinal tract and extremely acidic digestive fluids- simply not hospitable to ecoli, salmonella etc.
And quite frankly- if you're feeding your dogs commercial Euk or Iams, then I highly doubt you've done any deep "research". What on earth makes these a good diet for your dogs? They're overpriced junk- you're paying for fillers and advertisements.
And please- before you ask your vet for nutritional advice, ask them what kind of canine nutrional education they received.
There are some excellent kibbles on the market- but Iams and Euk (or any of the other grocery store/Petsmart brands) are overpriced CRAP. Be an informed consumer.
LongDogs4Me First of all Ifind you last reply offensive and rather attacking. I am entitled to your opinion just as you are. We obviously disagree. FINE. But I have done extensive research and for the record i do not pay the prices most pay as I buy it whole sale directly from the company. I have been working with dogs for a great many years and I am particular about what I feed my dogs. Bottom line dogs ARE at risk of getting the very illnesses you claim they are not. As for a vets training I don't know where the vets you deal with got their education but in general most of them went to school a number of years and I can safely say know a bit more they you do about what is best for their health. That being said I am not going to defend nor condem any one vet. I will say this again since you failed to understand it the first time around. THESE are NOT wild dogs. If you want to take the risks of feeding your dogs raw meats fine but until you have concrete indisputable scientific evidence backed up by lengthy studies and testing it is you that should refrain from advising people to take such risks with their pups. If you are willing to gamble with the long term health of your dogs fine. No one is telling you you can't but please do not advise others to do the same when you cannot guarentee their dogs will not suffer ill effects. And please do not jump on others that do not agree with you and express their views differently then you.
At the end of the day we do not agree. All I can say is anyone who feeds their dogs raw meat you do so at your own risk and you risk your dogs long term health in the process. I see absolutly nothing wrong with cooked meat but sorry I am not about to gnaw on a bloody chicken wing and my dog certainly will not either.
This is a very controversial subject, but I want to add some of our experiences. We feed our dogs a variety of raw food, usually mixed with kibble. Completely raw diets are a little harder to get the best balance and are a little time consuming, but it can be done. We give our dogs raw beef thigh bones straight from our butcher. They have quite a bit of meat on them. It is very good for maintaining clean teeth in your dogs. They LOVE the marrow that comes out of them also. We have let puppies as young as 6 weeks old gnaw on a raw beef bone, and they love it. None of dogs have ever been sickened by them. We gave some to our sister whose dog became sick the first couple times she tried them, but that is because she was not used to them. We also give raw chicken at times, but we prefer to use the chicken necks over the chicken wings. We've also fed our dogs raw beef liver, and raw beef heart (in very small amounts). Eggs, flax seed, plain yogurt, cottage cheese, sour cream and numerous raw vegetables are also added to their kibble at times. One of our dogs new favorites is canned mackarel. Lots of Vit. A, B, iron, calcium and fish oils (Omega 3&6). Domesticated or not, dogs are naturally carnivores. The biggest con I've heard about feeding all raw diet is the lack of a balance of nutrients, vitamins, oils etc. Some people swear by it, and if you have the knowledge and time, how could raw be worse than man-made? I can't believe that processed foods could be better than natural. Just my input!