I think it is personal preference. I am sure their are many many people that are feeding raw with no ill effects. Just as their are many people feeding their dogs "crap" commercial foods with no ill effect either. If it works for you then do it.
Edit*** I agree completely Halo
***Edited By: cschiMIZZI on 2/28/2005 8:48:40 PM*** Reason: added
**This was a post I posted a while back so I just copied and pasted it so some of it may not apply to this conversation.**
I feed all my dogs raw. For sometime I fed kibble and raw but now I have completely switched over and I am so happy with how things are going. My Pekingese who has severe allergies from food and almost everything else has had a total turn around and all my dogs skin and coats are so shiny and healthy. Two of my dogs had diarrhea for a week or so on Raw but changing of food can do that regardless of what you feed. Feeding raw has many benefits. And yes it can be a little expensive to feed raw when you have a multi dog household. Many people do not agree with feeding raw and that's fine to each his own. I however am overly impressed with the change in my dogs since I began to feed raw. Not only has their overall health improved such as allergies and skin irritations but I have also noticed less mess from large frequent messy stools and their coats are shinier and healthier then ever before. The thing is many people mistakenly feel like they must feed their pets cooked food. But dogs and cats have stomachs that are designed to eat raw food. That's why a dog can eat an old dead animal or fish and live through it. The digestive system of domesticated dogs is not designed to eat processed or cooked food. Obviously wild animals do not cook their food. Cooked food or commercial dog food takes longer for dogs to digest than raw diets. In addition, the heat used to actually cook the food destroys enzymes and antioxidants. When feeding kibble dogs take in lots of grain but dogs do not require any grain in their diet they have no nutritional need for it. Carbohydrates from grain are simply not needed either. Our pets get their energy from fats and protein. Grains break down into sugar which can grow yeast, produce mucous and may contribute to a multitude of problems including skin allergies, cancer, digestive upsets and skeletal disorders to name just a few. As far as the amount to feed really depends on the dog. If you have an older or overweight not very active dog of course you would feed less then an active younger dog who is most likely getting plenty of exercise. I feed my girls depending on the dog and her weight. Here is a sample menu for a 55-65 LB APBT female and mind you the variations will change for example if I happen to have Bison or Elk meat on hand. Raw diets have to be modified to fit the specific needs of individual dogs. You should feed adult dogs 2-3% of the DESIRED body weight for each individual. Not 2-3% of what they actually weigh unless they are at ideal weight. Here are some great books on feeding a natural/raw diet.
Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats by: Kymythy Schultz
Monday12 oz. Chicken necks or backs 8 oz. Ground turkey, hamburger, beef heart or chicken hearts / gizzards One egg w/shell 1 Mega Omega-3 1 tsp. Super C powder
Tuesday 6oz. Liver (chicken, beef or pork) or kidneys 6 oz. Chicken necks or backs One egg w/shell 1/4 Cup of ground veggies 1 Mega Omega-3 2 tsp. Kelp/Alfalfa mix 1 tsp. Super C powder
Wednesday One can of mackerel 1/4 Cup veggies 6oz. Chicken necks or backs 1 tsp. Super C powder
Thursday 12 oz. Chicken necks or backs 8 oz. Ground turkey, hamburger,beef heart or chicken hearts and gizzards one egg w/shell 1 Mega Omega-3 1 tsp. Super C powder
Friday 6oz. Liver (chicken, beef or pork) or kidneys 6oz. Chicken necks or backs One egg w/shell 1/4 Cup of ground veggies 1 Mega Omega-3 2 tsp. Kelp/Alfalfa mix 1 tsp. Super C powder
Saturday 12 oz. Chicken necks or backs 8 oz. Ground turkey, hamburger, beef heart or chicken hearts/gizzards One egg w/shell 1 Mega Omega-3
Sunday 1 tsp. Super C powder One can sardines 1/4 Cup veggies 12 oz Chicken necks or backs 8 oz. Ground turkey, hamburger, beef heart or chicken hearts/gizzards 1 tsp. Super C powder
Here is a round about list of raw food and supplements I use. And also a few really great websites on feeding raw. Good Luck to you. _____________________________________________ http://home.earthlink.net/~pawsnaturally/faq.html http://www.bullovedbulldogs.com/barf.htm http://www.naturallypaws.com/pages/direct.asp?id=39&cid=155 _____________________________________________ 1-Raw Meat - Any raw muscle meat will work, I feed turkey hamburger because of price but normal hamburger is also just as good. 2-A raw egg 3 to 5 times per week (with the shell) 3-Turkey necks, chicken necks or chicken backs 4-Chopped Veggie pulp (carrots, cauliflower, celery, green beans etc) 5-Kelp and alfalfa - the fine powdered type 6-Powdered vitamin C 7-Essential Fatty Acids a. Cod liver oil b. Salmon oil OMEGA 3 ~I USE GRIZZLY SALMON~ c. Flaxseed oil 8. Glucosamin Powder (99% pure) 9-Vitamin E - EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!
"BTW we are also carnivores so are you saying we too should be eating raw meat?"
We're not carnivores actually. We're omnivores, and you can't compare our physiology with that of dogs.
Who cooks the meat for wolves, dingos, and other wild animals? It doesn't matter if our pets domesticated or not, they're still dogs. The domestication process didn't take the animal out of them.
Think about it. My dog will go out in the back yard and eat the oldest, most rotten crap you can imagine. He actually attempted to bring in a stinking pigeon the other day that looked like it had been dead for at least a week.
He never gets sick by eating this stuff. Would we? Yes, I'm sure of that. I got sick by eating some week and a half old turkey out of the fridge.
Wolves and dingos are WILD animals Dogs are not. Ajnd wolves and dogs are very different in many ways. You cannot compare the two in this way simply because they are similar. A Wolf is a Wolf and a Dog is a Dog.
"MYTH: DOGS AREN'T WOLVES. DOGS AND WOLVES ARE SO FAR REMOVED FROM EACH OTHER, AND WE'VE CHANGED DOGS SO MUCH THAT THEY CAN'T HANDLE A RAW DIET.
This is MOSTLY false. The only truth found in this statement is that humans have changed dogs. BUT, we have only changed their external appearance and temperament, NOT their internal anatomy and physiology."
"Those enzymes are present, and once the dog is taken off the grain-based, plant matter-filled food those enzymes quickly return to the proper working level that allows for optimal digestion of raw meaty bones."
I'm not sure why you feel that the domestication of dogs has changed their biological processes. Dogs are selectively bred mainly for temperament and looks. They didn't mysteriously evolve into some creature that can't eat its natural food. Apparently some care should be taken when introducing this diet if the dog wasn't raised on raw foods, but that would be true for ANY animal, wild or not, that was raised on commercial kibble.
How many people here have seen their dogs eating rotten stuff that would most likely put us in the hospital? They're equipped to do this.
A wolf's diet does not consist 100% of meat. They also eat berries and other vegitation from time to time, just like our pets.
Domesticated dogs come from wolves. Do you know how long it would take for their physiology to change and no longer accept raw foods? Millions of years, if ever. That would be an evolutionary process, not the result of selective breeding. Before commercial dog food came about, the diet of the domesticated dog consisted mostly of raw foods (parts of the animal that people didn't want to consume). Domesticated dogs have been around for well over 2000 years. How long as Eukanuba been around?
Dry Kibble has not been around for that long ether. And ina lot of other countries dogs are still fed raw meat picked up at the slaughter yard and butcher. We're fortunate to have such easy access to dry kibble, but there are millions of healthy dogs that live off of a raw diet.
My mentor rememebers when kibble became easily accessable on the market, she had always fed her dogs raw before then becuase that is all that there was.
While this MAY be true there is no scientific data that confirms without a doubt that dogs came from Wolves. It is simply a theory as there are many theories. Just the same as us evolving from apes is a theory. There is no absolute proof to support either theory that is why they are called Theories.
***Edited By: pitsanddobes on 3/1/2005 1:40:37 PM*** Reason: add
"While this MAY be true there is no scientific data that confirms without a doubt that dogs came from Wolves."
They had to come from somewhere. From fossil finds, among the original dogs were wolves, coyotes, jackals, and foxes. These four species are biologically compatible. Undoubtedly domesticated dogs came from these species being no bull terrier or chihuahua fossils have been found. I'd love to see a pack of miniature schnauzers taking down a buffalo, but I doubt that ever happened.
You've yet to explain why domesticated dogs, who have the same physiology as their wild ancestors, can't eat raw food.
"Who told you to give your dog raw anything? No no please this is not a healthy diet for your dog. Especially chicken. There are too many problems that can come out of feeding your dog a diet like this." ----------------------------------------------
What exactly is so wrong with feeding chicken? And please do explain what problems arise from feeding dogs a raw diet? I get the feeling that you are not educated in the least on the subject of raw/natural diets because you are very misinformed. If there are so many problems with feeding a raw diet then why is that all five of my dogs are perfectly healthy with shiny healthy coats? All of my dogs including my fosters/rescues have been fed a raw diet for the past 9 months and they have never been healthier. In fact I know many breeders and great dog owners who have been feeding their dogs raw for the past decade and have happy healthy animals. I will never feed kibble again now that I know the benefits of feeding my pets a raw diet.
***Edited By: GinaH on 3/2/2005 11:37:08 PM*** Reason: **
GinaH, I think your point has been made very well. Anyone who's made an effort to educate themselves about dogs knows that their digestive tract is more than capable of handling a raw diet. It's 100% natural. As much as we love our pets, they are NOT human. They do not possess our biological functions.
I think this person has good intentions, but needs a bit more education on the subject. It seems that he/she wants to argue rather than learn from and accept the facts.
I have more then enough expierence and education where dogs are concerned Can I learn more sure i learn every day i don't know everything never claimed to but there are so many of you who claim to know more then educated vets and scientists. Yet you tell me to get educated on this. As for the dogs coming from wolves I have said while that may be true there is NO proof of that it is theory. I am not going to continue to debate opinions theories and facts with you. I have said what I had to say. I will continue to express my opinion based on my knowledge and expierence that a raw diet is not healthy for the dog. You can feel free to disagree but it wil not change the fact that I will always respond the same way. as for the shiny coats thing please my co worker feeds his dog ol roy from walmart. Probably safe to say this is the crappiest dog food there is today yet his dog has a shiny coat and is completely healthy right now. should we all feed our dogs ol roy? LOL I think not.
Several of us responded as to a few of the reasons why raw is not safe for dogs yet somewhere you all failed to read those parts of the posts. Bottom line my replies to these posts will be the same I do not advise the feeding of a raw diet.
ginah - a co worker and i were discussing this the other day. she is interested in feeding her dogs raw. a person in her training class emailed her about what she feeds her dogs. she doesnt supplement the diet at all and just feeds strictly raw meats and organs. that made me a bit nervous as i have followed prettty closely to what you and a few others have said about feeding the raw and it is always mentioned about feeding supplements and making sure it is balanced appropriately. another thing this woman had told my co worker is that she feeds pork livers raw also. i believe i have read that pork is the only meat you cannot feed raw. does this include pork organs also ?
If she is feeding veggies and such she can probably get away without dsupplimenting. I have found that just as many people over suppliment as under. It is quite a bit of time to learn the proper balance per dog.
***Edited By: IcyHound on 3/3/2005 9:47:33 AM*** Reason: accidently had the caps lock on
icy - i went and re read the email my co worker forwarded to me on the woman's repsonse. she said she used to supplement until she forgot for a few months and found out they are doing just fine without the supplements. she also stated she only feeds fruits and veggies as snacks, she no longer puts them in the meals. she feeds them rabbit, venison and other meats beyond just the regular chicken, turkey and beef so she feels they get balanced out by eating the variety of different meats she feeds. i will try and get some more in depth info from her if i can.