I know this isn't exactly politically correct, but if a dog is biting some one in the house to the point of stitches, has any one tried, whacking the crap out of the dog? I mean, not injuring it in any way, but making it think, right then and there that it MAY DIE, if it does that again?
It seems cruel, but so does putting a dog down over biting. I don't know. I have NEVER had any of my dogs try to bite a person, and I don't beat my dogs. I just know if one of my dogs went after a kid, any kid, there would be physical punishment in a large way.
Dogs get in to physical confrontation all the time to decide pack order. To the point they may even kill each other if unsupervised or unstopped. I think some would respond well to physical discipline if they are being physically aggressive. Though, not ever dog, or every breed. Given the size and physical condition of most EB that I have met, I think that they would be fairly easy to control.
I know know one wants even talk about hitting kids or dogs any more. I think that is the problem with a lot of kids today too. They need a good paddling to set them back a notch and make them follow the rules.
Boxers are like cookies you can't have just one :)
We have just recently adopted an EB, he is a 7 month old puppy and shows sign of aggression towards the children.(We have only had him 1 month) When he goes after nipping them he goes after their face. Today he drew blood from my 10 year old daughters face when she screamed he went after her more. Fortunately for us he mostly just got her nostril. We are trying a lot of behavior techniques. This dog is from a reputeable breeder and was trained for showing.
At two other times he has nipped at the childrens faces.. (mostly the smaller ones, ages 3, 8 and 10) One time he got his jaw inside my sons mouth. We walk him a lot. He is usually very sweet with me, something about the children drives him crazy. We are trying the methods in the book "the dog listener" amichian bonding, not sure what we are doing wrong. I'd appreciate any help.. it is scary.
How should they be raised is the question ? I am not sure if the face nipping is true aggression, but his version of puppy play.. When our older dog would nip as a puppy, she usually nipped at hands, feet, legs.. and her teeth are different so that the nipping did not break the skin. She has stopped that habit. My question is can dogs that are not born into a household with small children adjust to them ? Was our mistake getting an older puppy ? As a younger pup, might he have grown up with the children and been different. As a dog owner with children I just figure there will be bites, nips and scrapes, what scares me is that these are in the face. We are reading every and all books that we can dog training.. lots of contradictions out there.. One book swears by choke collars another says they hurt the dogs throat, one book tells you to crate train, another tells you it will create a more aggressive dog... etc. I have read that the loud noice technique is cruel... I am not passing judgement just telling you what I read.
I would guess that dogs are like children. They are all different. If the similarity holds true when they are younger then the dogs puppyhood has a strong determination on how he will approach things. In child development they talk about how important attachment is for an infant, might this not be true for dogs too. Their early experiences set them up for how they perceive things later on. Just a thought.
I agree starmom. Early socialization is important for any animal. I have three French Bulldogs. None of them were raised with small children. Hubby and i showered them all with love. When my grandsons come to visit, they all have the time of their lives. They have never shown an ounce of aggression toward anyone or any thing. I think any dog can have some degree of aggression. Its how it is dealt with at an early age that makes a difference to how the dog will behave as he/she matures.
If you are a dog and your owner suggests that you wear a sweater, suggest that he wear a tail.
I am actually living with some neighbors who have an English Bulldog that is not trained at all. It's really awful, they got him when he was about a year and a half old. Now he is about 2 years old and has no dicipline. He has already bitten my husband and last night he bit his owner in the face. They try and punish him by spraying him with a squirt bottle or putting him in the closet for timeout but nothing seems to work. He is completely out of control. Is it possible for this dog to be trained even though he has gone this long without formal training?
Putting him in the closet is cruel i my opinion. That is not a form of punishment. It borders on abuse. Especially a dog that has breathing issues. The air is thin in a closet. The dog has gone along time without any training. Even the basic training would have been something. It is still not too late to get him some help. Sounds like he is a biter, so being in a class with other people and dogs may not be the best idea. There are animal behaviorist that will come to the home . I would suggest they find one in the area and get the dog some help. Its heartbreaking to hear of dogs being put down through no fault of their own. Not saying they are going to put him down, but it does happen in many cases, when the owners can not deal with the mess they created. The owners allowed him to get to be the way he is, they need to get him some prefessional help. They can also learn how to be better dog owners in the process.
If you are a dog and your owner suggests that you wear a sweater, suggest that he wear a tail.
Thanks for the advice about not taking him to a class. I will suggest that they have someone come to the home. They definitely don't want to put him to sleep, they want to train him but just don't really know how.
Everyone says English Bulldogs are wonderful pets. I have talked to so many owners and none of them have had their in any training. We were told get him into training right away. What for. A pet. Why do you need to train a pet??? Is he going into the service? a circus? sure you teach them to stay, sit, shake hands, we loved our bully to the ends of the world, and he attacked Certain people, death lunged at them. husband and daughter both whom he loved and was so loved by them. What the hell happened to my dog? wasnt even 2 yrs old. Sure he was spoiled and loved and trained. We never hit him, how could anybody hit an english bulldog.? I will never rest til I know what the hell happened?... Every dog is different. Could of it been inbreeding, tumor, just pcyho? abused after birth? someone out there should know.
Pati, a lot of people get Bulldogs without really knowing their traits and personalities. They are tenacious, stubborn, smart. That is why you were encourage to get yours into training. If not, a Bulldog will dominate you. Bulldogs usually reach maturity at around 2 yrs of age. If you let him dictate and dominate you up to this point, he's just doing it with more aggression now.
Also, Bulldogs are predisposed to hypothyridism. A hypothyroid dog can have thyroid aggression. Might I suggest taking your dog to the Vet for a simple blood test. Hypethyroid can be treated with an inexpensive medication.
alicat, i have had aggression problems in the past with 2 of my male Bostons. They were extremely aggressive with other dogs, and each other. Once they latched on to each other it was almost impossible to break them up, and I would have had to hurt them seriously if I was hitting them , to stop them. The only way we found out that worked was picking both dogs up by the back legs, (2 people, and hoping they let go). I would never advocate hitting a dog to stop it from biting, and I've never had to deal with a dog biting a child; so that's a good question. What do you do?
To those of you that have suffered emotionally and physically as the result of an aggressive Bulldog I would like to offer my sincerest condolences. As an English Bulldog breeder, I can tell you this is definitely not the typical temperment of the breed. Unfortunately, there are many people out there trying to make a quick buck that doesn't bother to concern themselves with such trivialities as temperment and genetics. People need to understand that dogs once used to bring down Bulls have the ability to do great physical harm. I would never recommend keeping an aggressive Bulldog in a home with children. For that matter I wouldn't want to be around on alone. Retraining (if possible) should be done by a professional. Aggression towards people is not in their nature. They are by nature a very gentle and loveable breed. They are typically wonderful family pets that get along great with children. I highly recommend anyone out there considering adding an English Bulldog to their family, by all means do. But before you do, talk to the breeder, find out where they got their foundation, how much knowledge do they have on the lineage of the dogs they breed. Good luck to you all.
No good breeder would sell their pups to petland, that is why he came from a BYB or miller. The other thing is just because he is papered does not mean he is PB I would question that with his looks as well, he is probably not well bred either way.
moxie, you should try to get ahold of the breeder. it probable won't help though. petland isn't going to care either. a good breeder would have kept that puppy, again i am sorry that he turned out like that.