I just got a pharaoh hound puppy from Europe and I had no idea how much work he would be. How do we keep from going insane? How do we stop him from chewing his wee pads? How do we stop him from chewing us? We put other things in his mouth, say no, yelp like he's killing us, shake a can with coins, stand up (after we pry him off) fold our arms and ignore him, and finally leave the room. How long does this last? He is doing better than when we got him on Friday, but we are TIRED!
We can't take him outside yet because the ground is covered in snow and this type of rare dog will freeze. He was potty trained before he came (at 6 weeks old) and when he came into the house he put his paw on the sliding glass door. Unfortuantely, we couldn't take him out because of the snow so we have him in a small room with a baby gate, crate without the door, toys, and a wee pad.
I'm highly doubtful that your 6 week old dog came 'potty trained' already. Possibly started in that direction, but you've got lots of work to go on that. It most liekly won't be fully reliably potty trained for months. I understand about the snow, but you will confise the dog by askign it to do one thing and then asking it later t ogo outside and that inside is now inappropriate to go potty. What will you do next winter? Or is it just cause your puppy is super little and shouldn't have left it's mother yet?
Part of your problem is due to lack of socialization skills since it should have been with it's mom till at least 8 weeks of age.
***Edited By: mafiaprincess on 3/2/2005 9:15:42 PM*** Reason: add
I see I made a mistake in coming here for support. I feel like I'm being attacked for my choice of dog and that it's so young. I wanted support - not more things to worry about. I have enough of that already.
He can stand 3 minutes in the snow to learn to pee outside. Teaching him now will save you later.
He is a sighthound, they are often highly insane as puppies. He needs to run, and if you are not letting him out, hes not running, and hes taking out the energy elsewhere.
Let him go outside until he gets cold, or run him in the halwlay, btu thats teh only way you are going to burn his energy. Puppies that young are a ton of work. Give him stuffed animals to chew on, he is probably not itnersted in hard chews. Sighthound jaws are not made for it. Focuse more on rope toys, stuffed animals, and "chase it" more then fetch it games.
Crate him all the time. Lock the door of the crate. Put the leash on whenever you take him out from the crate to go and do his duty outside. This should last for quite a while until he bonds with you and learn that you control every aspect of his life.
You can get some more info how to deal with the new puppy on www.leerburg.com. Look for the Ground Work info that is put there. You will find a lot of other useful info over there.
Uhh no We're dealing with a sighthound. These are not dogs whos ultimate goal in life is to please their owner. Ignoring them willt each them to ignore you. Unlike my GSD who lives to respodn to my every motion, sighthounds are not wired that way. Geeze.
Sighthound puppies are fotena handful, but they tend to think as well. You just have to learn to get into their narrow skulls and see the world from the viewpoint.
I don't have much experience myself but I have done a lot of research lately and the website at www.leerburg.com is one of the most helpful sites that I have found. Ed Frawley (with 40 years experience in breeding) put it very clearly on one of his articles about Ground Work where he says quote:
"No matter how old your new dog is, no matter what breed your new dog is, no matter how big or small your new dog is, no matter where your dog came from or what itís background is: no matter what his current level of training is, or even what its current level of house training is, it needs to be introduced into itís new home with the use of a dog crate or a dog kennel. I cannot say it in enough. There are NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE." ..."For the first couple of weeks the only time the dog is out of the crate is when it is on its way outside. In addition the instant it comes out of the crate I hook a leash on the dog. During the first weeks I donít ever allow a dog to be off leash Ė not even from the door of the crate to the back door of the house."
Icy breeds sighthounds. She knows what she's writing about.
The article listed on housebreaking does not say to ignore your pup like that. It says to use the same methods everyone suggests everytime a housebreakign thread comes up.
Maybe it says stuff like that elsewhere, but the problem is housebreaking here, and I am pretty sure a 6 week old pup going from a social situation with mom and pups to being ignored would make any puppy fade, and be anti social.
***Edited By: mafiaprincess on 3/2/2005 11:45:23 PM*** Reason: add
I LOVE Pharoah Hounds! They are beautiful dogs! I am sorry that you are having trouble with your new pup. I am sure with time things will settle down. Don't get discouraged. I agree with Icy though....the crazyness is going to continue if you don't find a way to channel his energy. Letting them outside to use the restroom will be fine for the few minutes you are out there. Take him out for a few minutes...if nothing happens take him in for about 10 minutes (keeping him on a leash) then take him out again. My friend got a Italian Greyhound puppy for christmas, believe me, if you can take one of those out in the snow without any problems then you can take your dog out. See if you can find a place that is indoor and enclosed for you to take your dog to burn energy.
Was he shipped to you? I only ask because if he was then the breeder lied to the airlines (puppies have to be at least 9 weeks to ship) if this is correct i would really be carefull about the health of your pup. Chances are, if the breeders were willing to ship that young of a puppy and lie about it, then the pup might not be well bred and could have health problems.
Yes Ben that site might be cool but they are also discussing breeding working GSD. They restrict attention so that the dog becomes slaveishly devoted to any iota of human contact. That is a very popular menthod in the working dog world, since hte work itself is so harash.
We're talking about a 6-8 week old, emotionaly sensitive breed of sighthound. They are not slaveishly dependent on their humans. If you do not build a good emotional bond with them, you will never be able to do anything with them, much less housebreak them.
Not all breeds are created equal. I could do that to my GSD and he would love me so intently he'd bond into my skin. If I did that to my sighthounds they would decide that I was crazy and start to ignore me.
Diffrent mentality all of the time. You don't work sighthounds like that, you learn to understand them and you show themw hy they should listen, otherwise they will go and do their own thing and leave you behind. The key here is independent. like livestock guardians, most of the sighthound breeds and most scenthounds, have been fine turned to work independent of human contact. This creates a level of self awareness and indepndence of humans. If they ignore this pup, this pup will learn to ignore them back, and when they do let it off leash for the first time, it will explode. Sighthounds need to run for the ir mental health, and they need to run a lot. It can be indoors, outdoors, chasing a stick, in a tennis court, or a walk, but they NEED to run like my GSD NEEDS to carry a toy around.
Thanks IcyHound for your great advice. The breeder is one of the best in the world and is in many many many books so she did not sell or ship him to me too young. He was 7 weeks and will be 8 this Saturday. Several of the dogs in this litter went to AKC homes and will be shown. I want mine to be a great companion and to start lure coursing. We knew what type of dog he was and had many conversations with the breeder and still do each and every day. She is WONDERFUL! I just was looking for support on having a puppy for the first time. Pharaoh Hounds are very different, very intelligent, very independent, need to be trained differently, and are more catlike than dog. We knew this and that's why we chose him. We are VERY eager to get some warm weather so we can get him outside. We usually hike at least 1- 2 hours every day and our schedules are wonderful so that we will be able to do this and during the summer we'll be able to hike every day all day long (I have them off!). I think once we get some warm weather and get outside we'll be fine. The breeder told me today the few pups she has are now outside and doing ok with the cold. She wants me to start taking him outside and we did today for a few minutes.
Icyhound Ė I can see that you did not read the articles on Leerburg's website. Itís true that at Leerburg site they are mostly discussing working GSD, but the article on Ground Work applies to all breeds. And lot of info over there applies to all breeds as well. Each dog breed might have its own characteristics but all dogs are pack animals. They live their lives by pack rules. They are not slaves if they are not allowed to play with strangers. They have their pack their family.
We are talking here for the first few weeks, when you receive your pup how to handle it. The Groundwork explained by Ed applies to 6-8 weeks old puppies as well. Most GSDís are emotionally sensitive as well, and probably lot more intelligent and very high-energy dogs (depending on the bloodlines).
I agree that adopting the puppy at 7 weeks its to early, but whatís done is done.
I believe that the owner should have their dog under control all the time. Maybe there are other better methods than crate training to control this type of dog, and Iím okay with it as long as the dog is controlled and learns to respect you. I know that it sounds cruel to control the dog initially by using a crate. But I think itís even crueler when a good dog is put to sleep after being given to an animal shelter because the owners did not know how to properly raise and train their dogs.
I might be wrong siding with Ed Frawley but Iím trying to learn.
Some things also depend on experince. I do not agree, and I doubt I will find another person that has raised sighthounds for any lenght of time that will agree with your training method.
On some breeds, and with some dogs, it will work beauitufly. With this breed it will not. When you haev an animal that needs to run, it is a deep, psycological need that must be satasfied for the mental health of the dog.
Last time I checked I did not tell them that crate training was evil, or that they should allow their dog to rampage unfetered through the world. If you have read any of my posts I am a major fan of leashing puppies to retain control of them.
However, this is part of a larger issue. The same tricks do not work on every dog. That does not mean that a diffrent method is wrong.
1)The type of dog you have is a primitave breed. They will destroy many dollars worth of your belongings when left alone. Crating when alone in the house is advised.
2)Your hound is used to the desert heat. They freeze very easy in the snow. You should have learned about the breed before getting one.
3)I have had good experience with my dogs, traing them to go pee and pooh in a litter box. Get a kiddie pool, $10 at kmart, and put wood shavings in it. When the pup wakes up from sleeping, put the pup in the shavings, let it do its business there. After eating, put the pup in the shavings pool until it does its business. It will learn that is the place to go when in the house.
They are not leaving the pup in the snow. Five minutes to poop or pee is fine. A chi can go out for five minutes, my three and a half pound yorkie went out in snow over her head each year for the 16 years she lived, I think this pup will be okay for a potty break.