If you already have 2 show quality dobes, why don't you show them? Why do you need to buy a show prospect pup if it isn't going to be shown? Also, how do you know they are show quality if they havn't been shown?
Many puppies are deemed show quality by both inexperienced and experienced breeders before they are shown. A show quality puppy is one that has no disqualifying faults or serious faults at the bare minimum, from there it's attitude and look, in the case of many dogs it's the markings on a dog can narrow down choices between dogs most likely to do well in dog shows and ones that won't, for various reasons.
Now, a breeder who has never shown a dog of their breed IMHO has no call in declaring a puppy they've bred 'show quality' or companion. How would they know, when they really don't know anything about showing dogs?
***Edited By: Minniyar on 3/6/2005 7:42:55 PM*** Reason: add
Well a dog isn't show quality until its shown, because you won't ever know. Also, there are not many good breeders out there(if any!) that will sell you a show prospect if it will not be shown. and Whats the point? A pet quality will make just as good a pet, and the show ones can do what they are supposed to...be shown. Why do you want ring quality dogs if you don't want to show? why do you preffer them?
Oh and I am not trying to tell you you shouldn't have them because it is your choice, and I don't want to come off as a know-it-all(I certainly don't know it all), but I was just curious to know why you preffer show over pet if they arn't being shown.
i shoudl add that i dont neccessarily mean just in conformation shows. i believe working dogs can also compete in things like shutzhund and such and still be considered breeding worthy if they do well.
***Edited By: scout1 on 3/7/2005 8:16:39 PM*** Reason: cic
You mean selling them just for breeding? Isn't that why we have shows? to prove them quality for breeding? I don't really like that idea, the only place I could see fit doing that is if they are from long lines of champions, (parents both, and most after) I don't think males should be sold just for breeding, but maybe in some situations selling a bitch for that would be alright, and the bitch should be bred to a CH stud. and health tested(of course)
The breeder that I know that sells breed quality is on females and it is on a contract that the bitch has to be breed to a dog of the breeders choice....they also get pick puppy back...Usually it is a co-own situation.
"Well a dog isn't show quality until its shown, because you won't ever know. Also, there are not many good breeders out there(if any!) that will sell you a show prospect if it will not be shown. and Whats the point? A pet quality will make just as good a pet, and the show ones can do what they are supposed to...be shown. Why do you want ring quality dogs if you don't want to show? why do you preffer them?"
There are many show quality dogs that are not shown. For example my two. I chose not to that is my choice. I am not saying anything is wrong with pet quality I have had many and probably will have many more. Fact is My husband wants show quality and I agree with him so that is what we will get.
But see here is where my side comes in. If he gets his show quality pup he has to let me adopt one from a shelter or rescue group. Breed of my choice or mutt doesnt matter. We are going to take our time in looking as we will not be ready for a few months. I have more then I can handle now and we are not going to be moved for another 4 to 6 weeks. I try to only take on what I can handle. See I absolutly love dogs. I would have 30 permanent dogs of my own if he would let me and they would all be sleeping inside. That is just me. But right now I do not have that kind of space. But I will here soon. A whole lot of property with pleanty of room to run and a bigger place to live. No I am not a collector and it is not some psych issue I just love dogs. kinda like the mothers who want and do have like 12 and 14 kids, well I love lots of dogs. I have 7 now and 2 rescues. One rescue is going to his new home tomorrow. I simply posted to try and get some info and start looking. I like to research the breeder and ask around before I even look at the pups. I have to talk to their vets office review the bloodlines and all sorts of stuff that takes time.
And I disagree with you just because a dog is not shown does not mean it is not show quality.
Why have a show quality dog if you are not going to show? I say why not? Some people want the best. It's that way with many things. People that own a big house with 5 bedrooms and 4 baths and they have no children, people that have a sports car that is fast and they don't race on the track, people that have plastic surgery and are not models that need to look a certain way for their job, etc.... I know many yorkie breeders in MN and none of them show ( except of one gal and I have not met her but would like to). How do you know if they are show quality if they have not been shown? By the breed standards. Coat, topline, movement, face, ear set, color. I don't sell my pups as a " show quality pup" because I don't show but a good breeder can and should be able to pick a pup for someone that is the best of the breed standard and could possibly do well in the show ring as it follows all of the traits needed. As far as only breeding show dogs I think that is a joke. Here in MN we don't have many shows here. In the winter I didn't see any at all that were conformation shows. I went to a show in the summer and NO yorkies. I asked why and they said that people don't come because the yorkie classes are so small they don't get any points even if they would win because there is not much to go against so they don't bother coming to MN. Most of the shows I see are in the warmer states. ( just like the horse shows). showing is VERY political too ( just like horses). If you don't have a known handler your chances are slimmer that you will do well in the ring in most cases. I don't have the time, money or desire to travel all year, every weekend to show my dogs. When I showed my horses it cost me soooo much money and I had no time for anything else AT ALL, PERIOD!! I guess " show quality" to me means the pup has all of the good traits of the breed and there is a chance the dog could do well in the ring because if those traits. A show dog is one that has been shown and I don't think that is what she is looking for. Remember, in showing too it's just 1 judges opinion. In the horse show it was sad to see a 3-4 judge show and many times the judges didn't agree on who was the best. 1st - 6th place can be all over the board to say the least. Many times I would hear people say, how did that horse win?? Just 1 judges opinion, end of story.