I have seen alot of posts by people with the following titles....
Thinking of becoming a breeder.... Want to be a breeder..... Pregnant female now what..... Looking for a male for my female....
The list goes on but mostly the same thing.
I have seen trouble makers come on here. Cronic liars and puppy millers. I have also see active breeders both responsable and not so responsable. But what I do not see is an interest in many people on this forum to help out and make a difference. I see a great many of you jump down someones throat. Post horrible nasty attacking posts. While puppymillers deserve whatever they get most that come on here are clueless and asking for help. I have observed this and I have only been here a month.
So many of us have a lot to offer these people and yet you insist on being crappy to people. In doing so you are no doubt turning people away who we could really help and make a difference with. People visit here all the time mostly by accident it is that they find this forum. They think they can get helpful information here and instead they get brutally attacked and beat down for asking a simple question. Golly if you don't want to help why even reply to these threads? If you think they are full of it why not just ignore them? Why MUST you post and attack people. You claim that they are only here to goad people and to start trouble. Well when you reply like an ignoramus you are giving them exactly what you claim they want and making yourselves look like jerks in the process. Again, true puppy millers deserve what they get but you better be sure you are jumping on a puppy miller before you jump.
I have seen many of you jump to conclusions with very little if any information and absolutly no proof of wrong doing. Then justify your behavior. You know we have young kids on this forum and anyone can read as a guest so try to set a good example for the kids that are here and that visit. I understnd feeling strrongly about something Lord knows I feel this way about many things and there are times I let someone have it but it is not unprovoked to a degree that the recieving end did not deserve it.
I am sick to death of hearing that this is not a breeder friendly forum or that people should not be breeding at all. I am also sick of seeing high and mighty holier then tho breeders putting others down and grilling them like they are on trial. ENOUGH already. None of us is the grand poohbah of dog breeding and we all make mistakes.
I asked about show quality dobe breeders and got jumped on and it was all I could do not to go off! Who is anyone to question me as to why I want a show quality dobe if I am not going to show the dog? None of your business thats why! It takes real nerve to question someone on this and then for many of you to turn around and say that dogs should only be bred to better the breed standard and ask every breeder or potential breeder "have you shown your dog?" "Why are you breeding if your dog has not been shown" "Does your dog have any titles?" Why don't you do some show handling first?" "Get a Mentor" as if to say a dog should not be bred unless it has a slew of wins! Yet ask me why I want show quality and not pet quality. If it were left up to many of you there would be no pet quality dogs. Pure bred dogs are not for private club members only. And there is nothing wrong with breeding and not showing the dogs. It is a matter of choice. A choice which none of you has a right to critisize!
I have no problem with those who want to learn and weather their questions are out of genuine desire to learn or not I will answer them none the less. I do not have to nor will I explaine myself to anyone. What I choose to do with my time is my business.
I have no problem with those who choose to breed pet quality dogs. so long as they are not random purposly bred mutts and they are tested and deemed healthy and free of hereditary defects. And I will answer their questions as well.
So in short when you come across a puppy miller who is CLEARLY a puppy miller by all means speak your piece. But when people come here to learn weather they be expierenced responsable breeders who strive to learn more or irresponsable ones who need to learn more. Try helping for a change. As breeders we are always growing and learning. None of us knows everything and anyone who says they do is full of it. As for the ones making big mistakes try educating them when they ask for help so they can correct their mistakes and learn from them. Because it takes a lot of guts for someone to screw up and admit it and ask for help.
I should have read this post sooner. I to am sick of all the ppl bashing breeders and ppl who buy from breeders. Not every breeder is a puppy mill. Not every dog is a show dog. And not every single person wants to adopt a dog from the shelter. I adopted a dog 11 yrs ago and he was awsome but he had bad skin problems and later in life had hip problems and had to be put to sleep. I just wish ppl would be nicer and talk dogs. Not breeding or bashing. Just loving your dogs and wanting to share.
well I myself advocate shelter adoption as a first option but I realize some people want a pure bred dog. that is fine by me I only wish people would look to the shelters first as many have pure bred dogs. Thats my only issue with the people who refuse to go to the shelters. Now see my hubby wants a show quality dobe pup. But he is always griping that "I" bring in too many dogs. So if he wants his pup he has to let me adopt a shelter dog. LOL I do lots of rescue though so I do more then my share.
I also do what i can for lost animals and strays. I help my local animal control with holding the animals for 3 days to find the owners. I dont want to see ppls dogs or cats sent to the shelter. So i keep them here and hope the owners can be found. I found a newfie last month. i stood on the corer with her for hours hoping the owners would drive by and see her. It was freezing cold outside but i just kept walking up and down the main street. Many ppl who were walking stoped and asked about her and said they wouldnt do that for someone elses dog. But thats just me. I dont want to see animals hurt. I did find the owner and everything turned out great. He even paid me to dog sit her the next day. I put the effort in finding unwanted strays a home. I do what i can but ppl just dont care.
Considering the fact that Terrificpets is actually a breeder referral site, and make its money from advertising dogs for sale, I would expect a friendlier more helpful attitude from the people who visit and advertise here.
One thing that could explain the contradiction is that the breeders who support this site by advertising here are trying to discourage anyone else from breeding in order to reduce the competition.
it is all very simple. breeding is a game and a business. period. within any business you have people that produce a better product then others. that is the way that it is. they take offense at people producing a cheap product, and the bad producers get defensive around those that produce better products.
not wrong or right, just the way that it is. nothing to surprising.
You know what I am sick of ? I am pretty sick of seeing you post questions on this forum asking for help and then telling the people who answer you that they are wrong. That their answers couldn't possibly be what is the problem and you know it all. If you want a reminder of where you acted like this, re-read your thread you started asking why all of a sudden your doberman was acting aggressive when she is outdoors. Lots of people gave you very valid reasons for why she may be acting this way and you dissed everyone of them. And your holier then thou attitude on this thread especially. Who exactly are you ? Are you so special that you can tell any of us how to answer ? If I want to question someone's decision to breed because I am the one holding the animals as they are put to sleep then I have every American right to do so. Isn't one of your sayings as long as you are not hurting anyone you should be able to do whatever it is you want ? If I dont believe in hitting my dogs to discipline them, why do I need to listen to you say how your VAST dog training knowledge makes me an idiot for believing what I do ? Breeding pet quality dogs....yes okay now that is a great idea !!! Let's just tell everyone that their little fluffy should be bred because she IS the sweetest dog on earth and the world would be so much better having more of her in it. There are enough pet quality dogs born in litters of show quality parents that more pet quality dogs do not need to be reproduced. When you dont get the answers you want to hear or you disagree with what someone else has said then your answer is to defy you and say something different ? The only know it all I have seen on this forum in the short time I have been here is you. Everyone else seems to be able to state what and why they feel the way they do without shoving their opinions down others throats without making others feel dumb or wrong that they feel the way they do. Seems you have an experience for every scenario on this board. Thats all it is.....your experience. Doesn't make you the guru of the dog world. Try sharing your experiences instead of telling everyone they are wrong because they do not agree with you and you know best.
One more thing........who exactly gives a poop who sexcbrucelee is and what he/she does ? How is that any of your business or anyone elses for that matter ? What right do you have to threaten this person and say you are going to reveal who they are and what they do ? Are you a police officer or the FBI in addition to a dog trainer ?
I agree with Mason. PitsandDobes, I really don't understand why you do not follow the advice that you have given here. You are really treading on thin ice when you gather personal information about another member of the forum, and then post your e-mail address to share it.
Sorry, there are other "breeder friendly" sites out there if you are not happy here. Sorry but it has been proven that some of the posts are bogus posted by former disgruntled members, or just someone wanting to stir up garbage. This happens of every forum. It just seems to get ridiculous here at times.
Oh, Mason- breath of fresh air! Thank you for tackling that for me, in exactly the way I would have.
Every single tax paying citizen should be concerned about the breeding practices in our world of pet over-population- if only because YOUR tax dollars are spent cleaning up the "messes" irresponsible breeders leave. So yeah- IT DOES HURT ME. I'm not going to sit back and watch other crappy breeders give advice to potentially crappy breeders! I'll point them to the ONE person who should be giving them advice about breeding... the RESPONSIBLE breeder who bred those dogs! If that breeder can't be found, won't help, or isn't interested when you tell them your plans- THAT SHOULD BE taken as A SIGN that your dogs shouldn't be bred!
If you can't do the footwork required to FIND a responsible breeder when you buy your pet- you aren't exactly likely to BE one, yourself.
Okay, I believe that what was stated by pitsanddobes is what a lot of us have thought. There are many that go onto each topic and have something negative to say each and every time. This site is for breeders to post their pets for sale as well as for potential pet owners to find their perfect pet. With this said, why then do so many say not to purchase from the internet? Why be a part of a forum on a site that promotes the sale of dogs and cats? Many do ask questions for help and their are many on here that actually do try and help. But there are also a select few that always seem to belittle people for whatever they are wanting, needing or trying to understand. Pits might not do everything that she just posted that should be done all of the time, but that doesn't mean that what she has stated is not true. There will always be those that come on to every site to just stir up trouble...ignore them. Answer the way you think you should by being helpful and ignore those that you believe are "trolls" or whatever you might call them. I too breed, not often but do breed. I have posted my pups on TP and that is how I found this forum. I don't believe that I am a BYB or a puppymill (being that I only have 3 dogs). Others may think differently, but I know that I am very good to my babies and have done everything in my power to make sure that my pups all went to wonderful homes. I don't post often here or even respond much because most of the time the posts are already going down hill by the time I start to read them. I do hope that we all can just move forward and if we are not happy with what we see...move on. I think that there are many on here that give wonderful information. I have learned a great deal just by reading the posts and answers. I ignore the posts that seem to be negative and just move on. I hope that everyone can just get what they need from here and not take everything so personally. No one here knows each of us personally and we can't be so sensitive to what someone says that does not know us...you don't live with them so it really doesn't matter. For the most part this forum is a good one and there have been a few things that have gotten better in just the short time I have been on as well. I guess that is all I wanted to say...
"If I want to question someone's decision to breed because I am the one holding the animals as they are put to sleep then I have every American right to do so. Isn't one of your sayings as long as you are not hurting anyone you should be able to do whatever it is you want ? If I dont believe in hitting my dogs to discipline them, why do I need to listen to you say how your VAST dog training knowledge makes me an idiot for believing what I do ?"
First of all I too hold animals when they are put to sleep. And there have been quite a few who have come on her that I have had words with over this. To simply breed for profit and not care about the animals health and welfare is in fact hurting someone. It is hurting the animal and the new owner who grows to love that dog. If you do not believe in hitting your dog then don't no one said you are an idiot if you don't. I am so sorry that the fact that I have a broad variety of expierences offends you but I make it a point to learn something new every day. To expierence new things and to try new things. As for what information I know about Bruce I did not post it publicly and what I agree to discuss in private with others is my business. Do the research for yourself it is not that hard and find out for yourself. The way tinydarlings was gnawed at here and you have a problem with my post?
What is the problem here, some of you feel threatend because I actually voice my opinion and use my brain? Is that not allowed without permission? It is offensive to people because I treat animals like they actually have a thought process? Because I speak my mind about that which I feel strongly about? And I don't simply submit to someone who chooses to attack me? I never once said that anyone was an idiot for not agreeing with my methods of dicipline or training for my dogs.
What I do have a problem with is people thinking they are the only qualified breeders and anyone else falls short. Critisizing people who actually take the time out to ask questions and learn. I do not profess to be better or smarter then anyone else but I will not downplay my level of intelegence nor will I refrain from talking about my own expierences simply because they are more vast then some others. The fact that I am not some high profile well known breeder or trainer does not make me a liar or a fake as I have been so rudely referred to.
I have been jumped on because I asked about a show quality pup and disagree with raw feeding. Attacked because I have different views about how dogs act and react. Questioned because I could care less if a dog comes with registration papers or not, And accused of being full of it simply because I think and feel differently about things then some others do. There are many who disagree with me on this forum but most have done so with some decency. Then there are those that agree with me and I have seen a few time that they get jumped on as well. Seems no one really wants to express what they really think and believe half the time because they don't want to deal with getting jumped on.
Why is it that you people cannot just disagree with someone without attacking and tearing into someone? most of the time you jump on people knowing little or nothing about them just based on someones comment or opinion. GOD you can get so petty as to attack someone over typos and spelling and not even have a clue as to WHY a person has a problem! You don't ask you just attack. You care nothing at all for a persons feelings or the fact that some people make mistakes! Are any of you so infalable that you can critisize and judge someone else?