Pits and Dobs...I understand your message and since I have only been visiting here for a short time...after a long time away...I will only comment on what I know first hand. This same kind of thing has been going on since I first stumbled on this site. And Yes...I found this site looking for dogs in the classifieds. I emphasize with the people who get ripped off from scum who call them selves breeders...but I cant help but relate to Caveat empure.( not spelled right, sorry)..Buyer beware! I don’t think it is any ones business if you or any one else want to breed but they do feel they have the right to tell folks over and over to buy shelter dogs and don’t get a dog from a breeder. I personally have rescued for over 25 years and I am tired of the baggage the shelter dogs bring. I want what I want...and that is all there is to it. I do believe, as it seems you do too about a breeder being responsible and getting tests done and having proper vet care for animals. We should all agree on this issue...But I don’t like the snotty sanctimonious tones some take or have taken on some subjects. It only drives decent people away and most never return. Then all the good advice is wasted on those of us who have read it zillions of times. It would be nice to not think that people don’t lie and exaggerate there situations to sensationalize themselves...but it has happened...I say ignore it...answer what you feel compelled to...and try really hard to ignore stupidity. Some where some one might learn some thing even if the thread is a hoax...I think most begin answering posts with a good open heart…but personalities are hard to express in writing some times and things seem harsher then they would if it were the spoken word. Don’t let them see you sweat is a good philosophy…Just my opinion…
everyone on here has opinions on certain subjects and very strong opinions at that. but who really needed you to start this thread ? did you not expect to be met with some resistance when you start a thread telling all of us how we should act and what we are saying wrong ? you think this forum is bad ? you should read some others i have been visiting lately. where cursing and belittling seems to be preferred rather then discouraged. i think this forum is pretty tame to others i have seen.
to reiterate what someone else said - who gives a crap who or what sexcbrucelee is or does in his private life ? i don't care, i am sure many others don't care . you sound like a gossipy old woman who can't wait to share the latest news she overheard at the post office. what kind of person are you that would even bother themselves with looking for things about people to defame them ?
just to make my position perfectly clear.....i will never , ever , support the breeding of designer mutts no matter if every health test in this universe was done to determine the health of the parents.
Thank you very much Mason for post #14. My sentiments exactly. However, I have a few things to add.
Doesn't it seem a little bit odd, that a person coming on here looking for a show quality Doberman one day comes on a few days later looking for a cheap fix for their dog that is passing blood in his urine and they can't afford to take him to the vet?
I would think that a show quality Doberman would cost much more than a simple visit to the vet's office to have a dog you already own checked for his problems.
If the dog indeed has blood in the urine, than forget about buying another dog. Take care of the dogs that you do have.
It sounds like buying a new doberman is going to put a financial burden on you, when you can't even properly and humanely care for the animals that you already have, please don't even think about buying more dogs.
I've read too many contradictory postings from p & d in the past week, there is something not right there.
Maybe I am wrong, but perhaps p & d and sexcbrucelee are one in the same person?
Bassett-lover I have thought the same thing for sometime now. The other day when Minniyar mentioned something about why did P&D care so much about Sexcbrucelees private life I wanted to reply back that perhaps they are the same person. I also wonder if KDobes is another alias (see the post below) it seems to me that KDobe forgot to change user names because he answered a question that was directed to P&D in a very odd way.
Guys, call me crazy for this but pitsanddobes is one of my friends on the forum. Pitsanddobes has always been helpfull. SORRY, but I think mason is rude for posting that. Pitsanddobes started this thread saying nothing about 'quality show dobes' or 'sexcbruce' or anything like that. She started saying that she doesn't like byb and puppy mills, which I for one agree one. Give pits a chance. Pits has always helped me out with things, and this thread was not started to start a fight. If pitsanddobes wants to post something asking for help and doesn't agree with what we tell her, fine. Mason, you didn't need to change the entire topic to try to get people against pitsanddobes. Post on what the topic was, not that you are sick of what pitsanddobes thinks.
Sorry if you think I'm weird for doing this. =( But it's what I think.
I too have watched dogs beginging put to sleep at the shelter. I can't stand it, and always check the shelters first.
Oh Mason! You are new but I like you already! ROFL!!!! I agree with you Mason & Basset_Lover! Something just hasn't smelled right to me either & lord knows there are more who feel this way! Thanks for the posts!
Lets get something clear right now. Every single time I post there are a few of you who question it! READ READ READ!
I said I did not get paid til friday! That was why I could not get to the vet! I also said I was taking my time looking for a breeder and that it was my husband that wanted a pup. Not going out and buying a pup tomorrow! I am NOT going to keep explaining myself to people you have no right or authority to question or judge me and until you produce a medical degree I suggest you NOT try to analize me! As for my having multiple names onthis forum that is about as far fetched as it gets! I am seriously starting to wonder if many of you may not need some therapy. Do you not have anything better to do then to take pot shots at other people?
For those of you with brains I will tell you since there are in fact some people on here that have sense. We are gonna sum it up in one post right here and now then the rest of you can go pass gas for all I care.
First of all I AM a professional dog trainer. Have been for years. I don't have some well known name or fancy website because I am not in it to get rich quick. In fact I help many people for nothing. I learned from my father and grandfather. I used to breed Dobes and Shepherds but I quit a few years ago.
I am 32 years old, my name is Renee, and I live in Augusta Georgia! I am a mother of 5 and married for the second time and yes my husband is deaf. I do a lot of rescue work primarily with dogs. I also am a volentier family rights advocate and do a lot of paralegal work.
As for my job and money. Not that it is anyones business but I currently work construction. I average about 2000.00 a week and after bills, kids and the dogs I am usually near broke. but then the bills are paid and everyone is comfortable fed and happy. In construction (as many of you with sense know) there are in fact times when you are without work for weeks at a time. I was without work for the last three and half weeks. Does not mean I am unemployed just no work (slow) available. My emergency fund dwindles faster and faster the longer I am laid off.
I type like crap because I cannot see. If I could use all caps it might help me but it hurrts everyone elses eyes and it is not allowed here. I do not have time to type this in word five times the size and them shrink it down and copy paste just to appease some picky toddlers who do not like my typos. And since I am not here to win a spelling bee who cares about my spelling? Not like I am going to win an award for anything I write here. Now if it bothers some of these people that much and it really matters to the point they simply cannot stand it then perhaps they should pay for the corrective surgery I cannot afford because dogs and kids come first.
Oh and I am learning more about dog foods and have decided I want to change from kibble and some cooked to an all natural cooked diet.
As for sexcbrucelee lol that is the best one I have heard yet. Since when do I back him up on anything and since when are we one in the same? I only answered the mans questions. Guess that is a no no here huh? Can't seem to answer any questions or know anything at all unless you are part of the elete little circle that keeps surfacing around here. Since I am still here that obviously means I have not done anything to get banned. But there are those that do not like me. So they nit pick and continue to do so hoping they will goad me into doing or saying something to get me banned and if not they intend to push until I break and simply leave. Sad but some people react this way when they are threatend buy someone who dares to claim to have a thought process other then theirs.
And for some people to claim "who cares about other peoples personal lives" there sure is a lot of focus on me and mine and the utter gall to think any of them have any authority to question me.
now to those of you who insist on stirring up crap do us all a favor huh,,, zip it and get a life it is really getting old! You sound like a bunch of bullies trying to pick on the littel kid inthe school yard. I ask you do bullies EVER rule supreme for long?
Frankly I am tired of all the arguments. We have made our point. You have made yours. For a new person to come on here blasting everyone is not cool. You're barking up the wrong tree! There are other forums I have seen much worse with arguments as Scout said too. Maybe you'd be happier over on those sights. I am glad that you did learn something but if you want people to respect you, tone it down please & get real. Then again it's probably too late. Too many holes still left. We would like our peace back thank you very much! I'm done.
***Edited By: rhondakbt on 3/11/2005 9:41:12 PM*** Reason: added more
pitsanddobes, it's good you speak like this. My own situation is I have had dobies for the past 28 years and I have only kept pets no matter what their breeding. This time I let the trainer and breeder talk me into showing my female as she comes from a long line of champions, so after much convincing I did let her show. She is with a good handler and has placed either 1st or 2nd in her class at every show she attended. I keep her road time to no more than 2 weeks because I don't want to lose that family pet that I intended to have. I have gone partners with my handler on a male who is the grandson of the famous "Eddie" and my wife and I would like the experience of breeding at least one time. I am not jumping into this blindly, I intend to wait until she is 2 or 3 years old and breed no more than 2 years inbetween if we even breed more than once. I have never had the experience of breeding a dog before and I will be looking to educate myself and totally prepare for it before I do anything like that. If I can't obtain my knowledge from books and reinforce it in chats like this then a forum like this is useless.
I agree with you and I am glad to see you are taking it slow and being responsable. Congrats on your dogs accomplishments. Feel free to email me anytime if you have any questions. email@example.com