You have a point scout1, but lets try to make it as humane as possible because these animals have no say in the matter except they got the short end of the stick in life..and chili pepper why do u keep posting that story..I read it I know where you are coming from and I feel for the dogs, however, it has no relevance to this post or the post on docking tails. -PUBLIC
I was wondering what everyone thought about the Purina brand? I am starting a kennel and I want to feed my dogs a good dog food but I don't want to pay out the butt for it like Science Diet or Nutro. I am currently feeding all my dogs Purina Dog Chow and I've been feeding them that for about a year, they just changed the food or something because all my dogs have diarrea. The dogfood looks different and they changed the bag color. Anyways, they'll adjust to it, I was just wondering if it was a good dog food or not.
Animal testing for any reason is cruel . The pain these animals go through there's no reason for it .There's other ways to find out results of food or medicine or make up with out testing on innocent animals. In that respect I agree with Peta. They are not a bad orgnization. Maybe just a bit extreme. But aren't we all about some some things we believe in.I've seen it on this board.
Uh actually, no there is no way to find out the results of certain medications and products than using live subjects. Just because a substance kills cells in a petri dish doesn't mean that it will kill cells the same way in a body. In fact, its medicines that are rushed to the market without proper testing on live subjects that tend to cause medical problems down the road. If you dont' want animals used in any medical studies to find cures for things like AIDS, Cancer, Heart disease, diabetes, etc, volunteer to be a subject yourself and take their place so we can all find out if they work on humans.
I agree. It's awful to think about but the fact is that animals do need to be used in tests so we can find cures. It's the reason we have so many vaccines, and medicines that work now. It's the only way. We can all only hope that the animals are treated humanly and with care. There are many mean and cruel things people do everyday to animals for FUN.
Actually there are plenty of alternatives to certain tests, here's some links (unrelated to PETA): http://www.allforanimals.com/alternatives1.htm http://www.library.ucsb.edu/istl/00-summer/internet.html http://www.medwebplus.com/subject/Animal_Testing_Alternatives.html http://www.invitroderm.com/ http://www.cruelscience.ca/testing-alt.htm How does testing on a rat, dog, monkey etc. (diff't genetic makeup) result in conclusive evidence to prevent/treat diseases/viruses found in humans? Sometimes it works and other times it just doesn't.
Maybe we are talking about two different things. All those websites talk about REDUCING UNNECESSARY animal testing, or using animals to test beauty products. I agree with that. We should not use animals as test subjects unless there is NOT an alternative. But sometimes, it is the only way. While we do not share some traits with rats...we do share others. We both have lungs, hearts, livers, eyes, brains, many things that we do not share with amoeba.
I agree, there are alternatives to many testings on animals, but not all. I don't enjoy reading about cosmetic testing on animals (animals don't use cosmetics, what's the point there?) for example. But nearly all medical advances and procedures have ONLY been made because of trial testing on animals. Cancer in animals and immuno-response deficiencies in animals are very very similar to the ones on Humans. It's not a far stretch to say that if it works on an animal, it might work on a human. Just because we're different doesn't mean we're not so different there're no similarities. As many scientists love to point out, humans share about 98-99 percent of the genomes of chimpanzees.. and about 96 percent of that of a mouse (go figure). Instead of pointing out the differences between humans and animals, look at the similarities. We share the same organ systems and functions, nearly every disease that exist in humans started in animals (including the virus that causes AIDS).
AQua tree, I was using purina dog chow for about seven years, but then I decided to change because I wanted the best for my dog. I started learning about food labels and what goes into dog food. My dog is now nine years old and is very healthy,so I guess the purina dog chow did not affect him. I think the dog food is fine if you are watching you wallet, but there are better dog foods out there. I didn' t know they changed the purina dog chow,wow, maybe they made it better!
the animals that are used for research are treated very well and humanely. as far as their daily care goes. animals they use in these studies are worth thousands of dollars to the reasearch institutes. if an animal dies because of negligent care then they have to start over at the beginning. now i am refering to the big companies such as pfizer, exxon, johnson and johnson, etc. as to the little companies i don't know. i distrust their ethics on where they obtain their animals for research so i would think they may not be up to par on the conditions the animals are kept in.
When it comes down to brass tacks it's cruel . These animals have no say. A lot are being bred and born only to be tested on. It's just plain cruel. These animals spend their entire lives in wire cages only to know pain. Never to know what green grass is ,never to have a play mate,never to know the love of a human,the warmth of a bed.Their entire short lives are spent in pain,then they are killed when their usefulness is no more. How humane is that? There are other ways to do testing.If I was powerrful enough i'd shut them all down. I was watching Animal Planet like a year ago,these people thank god saved these test Beagles in Britain. Those dogs it least now have a chance at life.There needs to be more companies shut down and save these animals from torture.
rednosered, I'm sure curious to know some of these 'other methods' of testing medicines and vaccines accurately that you speak of, so we dont have to use animal testing any more? I'm pretty sure the medical community would like to know as well.
Rednosered, I sure wish that was the case, but I dont believe with all our advances that we are to the point technologically that computer analysis and programs are sufficient to predict the long term outcomes of medications, drugs, and vaccines on humans or animals, or even to determine whether or not they will work for more than a few moments. I'm not sure we will ever get to that point, honestly. I hope and wish for the day but realistically, it's not going to happen for a looooong time.
computer testing isn't going to give answers we need. if your child had a resistant strain of strep and was given a medication only tested on computers and your child died because of complications of strep because the computers simulations were not giving accurate findings would you go for that? i sure wouldn't.
Thanks for the input, Charlieboy. They did just change Purina recently, my dogs can attest to that! But as for it being better, I guess I'm going to have to research it. I have talked to some of the top breeders of pitbulls and they swear by Purina.
maybe you can look at research animals in this way. think of them as little heroes who give of themselves everyday to make sure other animals and people are safe. safe in using all the products out there to keep our pets healthy. kind of like policeman and fireman who risk their lives everyday to make sure we are safe.