every time i pet him hell close his eyes an he wont play with me at all but hes good around cats kids strangers an other dogs , but how would be the easist way to build his confidens

every time i pet him hell close his eyes an he wont play with me at all but hes good around cats kids strangers an other dogs , but how would be the easist way to build his confidens

his ht. is 19/wieth.29 1/2 / cheast9 1/2 / head 17 is he a good size 4 a 9 month ol brendel hes my first pit

heatherom
try feedin on Royal Canin Doog food
its european n ive found it extremely good
its fed to a neopolitan mastiff, a dougue de bordeaux, a rottweiler n a terrier i know
all are extremely good
the food is perfectly graded i beleive
try it
its real good

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***Edited By: pitbulllover16 on 3/24/2006 9:50:47 PM***
Reason: beacuse..

Damn pitbulllover16 that is a fine dog!!! He don't look the least bit skinny in those pics, looks a lil thick from the side, which ain't bad no reason to have him but if you did conditioned him and got him lean he'd look awesome I bet with the muscle tone he already has. He's so beautiful.

Thanks True_Pits, your right hes not that bad, but compared to our other pits he is pretty tiny...lol

yeah - I dunno what you're talking about, pitbulllover, he is a magnificent pit bull! He doesn't look small to me AT ALL.
I've been told (and read somewhere) that pits generally aren't supposed to get up to the 100 lb mark - only about 40-60 lbs or so. How much does your dog weigh in that picture? Right now mine weighs about 45.5 lbs, and he's been steady around there for a few months now. Also, how in the world di he get so stocked? He's got muscles ON his muscles.

And for that matter - what DO your other pits look like???

I didn't know what other pits they were talking about either, but you click on the link its apparent that they have a byb kennel of 100lbs "pit bulls" the dog they showed is a magnificant looking dog, but the other don't really fit the standard, too big, with bad conformation. I think some of the weights are exagerated though so I dunno, some look a little fat so they'd weight more. copy and paste the www.com thing they posted before thats what I just did. Another peddling kennel, more and more pop up everyday. And yes ALL dogs have faults, but some just shouldn't be bred as they are not even close to breed standard. No offense to anyone's pets.

I think some people are worried about nothing because I haven't seen any skinny dogs from the pics. Some people do have misconception of what pits look like or what they are really supposed to look like, there are different types and there are also mutts and bybs dogs and there are other breeds that look similar, a lot of general public doens't recognize a Pit Bull when they see one and others mistake other breeds for Pit Bulls when they are not.

A dog like this would have pretty good conformation
http://www.apbt.s5.com/images/ph2.ht1.jpg
GR CH STP'S BUCK ROM and be similar to the basis of the standard, the dog the standard was actually based on is a dog called "CH STRIDER" I have pictures of him I could scan, he was a perfect example conformationally, my friend had a dog who looked almost identical to this dog.

This would be a dog with fairly good conformation in decent condition
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/true_pits/Show%20Pics/ValOdessaTXshow3-20-05.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/true_pits/Show%20Pics/ValOdessaTX3-20-05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/true_pits/Val/Valstormi.jpg
This would be the same dog in very good condition

This is my other dog with almost perfect conformation but weak conditioning
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/true_pits/Show%20Pics/Venom1stplace.jpg
less rib would be optimal with more muscle covering it, as well has hard muscle instead of the soft tone which can be seen in the back legs.

I have scaned the picture.

This is the dog known as Champion Strider
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/true_pits/Historic/CHSTRIDERfront.jpg
Of which the conformation standard was based on.

Hes around...75lbs i would say. True_pits are you talking about the rest of our dogs? when you mentioned that??

Wow, gorgeous dog. What is his history, do you know? His ears look poorly cropped to me, and all those scars, but he is beautiful just the same.

Our weights are not exaggerated on our Pits that we have, byb? what ever you may call it. yeah there kennels are in the b.y and they were breed in the yard, there are alot of pits of MANY different weights, i know the standard APBT is around 50 or so and are alot smaller. ours were breed to be bigger, not breed to show off there size, or meanness, b/c they are not mean at all. These pits that we have and breed, which we rarely do are for family pets. yeah they may have some faults in them somewhere, what dog dosnt? why just because they're bigger and over 50lbs they are not good? I know there not the standard of what you are wanting or think but they are fine to us. Alot of people liek to get smaller APBT and alot of people liek to get the bigger ones, and alot of people like to get some with big chest, and soem like the big heads.....everyones standards to this breed is different. So I would appriciate if you didnt call us a BYB kennel. Thanks

I was told that an APBT in its first year will grow in height and in its second year will grow in width....up then out.I also always thought of the "skinnier"pits to be what they call "game bred" pits.
Here is a site that shows pics of amstaffs,staffie bulls,and apbt, with pics of these"game"bred dogs.


http://www.workingpitbull.com/amstaffpit.htm

scroll down a bit and it shows the pics......

***Edited By: bluepitlover on 3/23/2005 6:42:14 PM***
Reason: added

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***Edited By: pitbulllover16 on 3/24/2006 9:51:50 PM***
Reason: b/c

pitbulllover16, are any of your dogs over two?

4 of them are just about 2 in a month or so, and our one blue female is 8-9 months

I just call it like I see it, don't take it personally. If you arn't a byb then what are you? Your webpage speaks for itself and you yourself admitted it. "These pits that we have and breed, which we rarely do are for family pets." People who breed pets are called "backyard breeders" it doesn't have to do with the location of where the animals are bred, its term which I assume you already knew. I wasn't saying for sure that they were exaggerated, I just know a lot of people do, and yes some are at a heavy weight in the picture which doesn't matter I'm just saying a lot of times a dog that could be less is at a heavier weight so when they are weighted yeah thats what the scale is gonna read. I know there are a lot of pits thats the problem with bybs and yes a lot of weights. I don't like bybs, they are destroying the breed and do more damage then they ever realize. I can see your dogs were bred to bigger, they are like huge "pit bulls". What does that mean to me? Thats why I said I call it like I see it, you picked the poor breeding stock you have, you breed without proving the dogs, you breed for "pets", you bred them too young. "yeah they may have some faults in them somewhere, what dog dosnt?" I have a dog that has almost perfect conformation, yes every dog has faults I SAID THAT, but there are damn good dogs worthy of breeding then there are culls and they should be just that CULLED thats where PET QUALITY dogs come in i.e. shouldn't be bred. Good breeders produce perfect companions so there is no need for bybs to breed their pets to produce more pets. "why just because they're bigger and over 50lbs they are not good?" No size doesn't have everything to do with it in the lease, but you wouldn't understand, no offense but if you knew the standard you wouldn't be asking. A 30lbs that has the conformation of those dogs are not breed quality, but an 80lbs who's conformation, health, & quality is good is worth breeding and adding more better dogs to the gene pool and should be bred for the improvement of the breed and line which is the only reason to be breeding. You just don't have breeding knowledge if you think that I'm saying because they weight more they aren't good breed quality dogs. It doesn't really matter what people want, it matters whats right and wrong, a lot of people want puggles or shi-poos it doesn't mean you shouldnt breed them, a lot of people want Giant Rottwielers or Mini Boxers same thing. Bybs will breed all these things, they breed what they want. They breed fads, they breed what they think is cute, they breed what they will sell, they breed because they have to have cute pups for pets. It doesn't matter what I want or like, it only matters what the standard is. "everyones standards to this breed is different." Well not everyone, some people actually follow the standard, reputable breeders don't have their own standard, they aren't all different, who are you trying to fool, I know what I'm talking about, bybs do because they breed what they see fit instead of what is right for the breed. They breed what they have because its convient, because its a cute pet, because they don't know any better there are 100s of reasons why and varying types of bybs. Yes some vary slightly within reputable breeders, people are individuals, they are only humans, just like judges vary slightly, but usually you get the same dogs placing on both days even if its not in the same place because each judge might see or notice something different and interprete the standard slightly different. But on a whole scale its all the SAME and people are striving to achieve the perfect representation of the breed. Free of genetic faults, health problems, close to perfect conformation, correct temperament for the breed, longevity, and other encompassing traits. I'll call you what I believe you are a byb kennel, most byb never own up to it. Maybe they dont exist? No wrong, just for some reason they think the term doens't apply to there pets and I'm not sure why. I don't want to hurt someones feelings about their dogs because I know most people, including bybs love their dogs, but the truth about them is just that true and they breed them anyway instead of culling most bybs will never cull a single dog, which is one of the most important tools in a breeding program. I never try to be mean about it, but its upsetting to see more and more bybs, I'm sure to anyone it always seems to be "there breed" under attack but I think most can agree with certain breeds they are very popular and more bybs. There are enough breeders out there period, b/c of bybs, but I have no problem with responsible breeders or people who want to become future breeders if they are serious about doing it correctly. I can ask why you don't think you're a byb, I ask people that before but they never have a real reason why they would be special and exempt from this when they are pet breeders which falls into that catagory. Breeders with no knowledge as well, they are oblivious to the truth and believe breedings are made by any breeder because they just like their dogs, that all quality is pretty much the same. Even pet buyers have this problem until educated, they think a reputable breeder and a pup bought out of the newspaper are the same quality. As you also just admitted that NONE of your dogs are yet over 2, which means you bred a dog too young of improper breeding age because you yourself admitted Autumm was pg in a picture on your site. Not putting words in your mouth or attacking you, calling it like I see it. Its the usual. "I'm not a byb" but then "I breed dogs under the age of 2 years" "I breed for family pets" I only do things that byb breeders do, but I'm not a byb. Right I really believe that one...lol It doesn't work like that.

For example, I have a cull so of course she isn't going to be bred. She is just too cute, at least I think so and so do many others. I'm sure some wouldnt, some would think nothing of her. Some might even not like her looks & personality. But there are many who do, many who say she is cute, I want one of her pups, I love that dog, ect. She is a great house pet and companion, she has a pretty nice lineage in some opinion, she lives weight pull, she is generally healthy but I don't know about genetically healthy, she would probably have no problem producing "cute pups" most all pups are cute, no problem finding them nice pet homes, no problem with them being simply house pets. But I nor anyone else have any business breedings dogs of so many faults, it doesn't matter if I love her, that she is cute, that she is spoiled, that people want her to have pups and want one. It matters that there are enough breed quality dogs in existence who still produce culls in an almost perfect litters, enough dogs in shelters because of irresponsible owners or bybs, so there is no reason to add more dogs to a breed of 100 of thousands of unwanted strays with so many being put to sleep everyday and rescues full to the brim. I would be just another byb. Sorry I left this out of the other post, but its an example. There are definatly enough pets to go around, no reason to breed more.