Hi i'm new to the site today and was just wondering if anyone else here has a doberman.. Alittle about my precious twinkle toes (harvey my dobe) i got harvey when he was 4 months old..he was bitten all over his face and ears by his mother. This happened as most breeders know it is not entirely healthy to keep the mother with a pup this long~they were kept in tiny pen and conseqeuntly the mother got fed up with him and started to bite him. He was covered but thank fully these have know all healed. Harvey was also a target of abuse by his previous owners~he had his tail cut off but also way too short with a pair of kitchen scissors when he was approx 3 an a half months..obviously the physical and emotional scarring lingered and it took us alot of patience for him to let us touch it and the rest of his body. the hair has never grew back. Harvey also learnt from being kept with his mother that if he lay still made no eye contact and didn't move an inch he would not be bitten..he had these traits with us i think he thought we would bite him if he moved..it took us a month to get him to stand up and move and to give us eye contact..now he wont lie still and wont stop loving us! :) Harvey naturally being kept in that pen didnt even know how to walk. It took us 3 hard months to get him to walk on a lead and to leave the house..i can only thank god that this dog came into our lives>it wasn't easy (or cheap as he attended alot of private lessons) but so rewarding. A huge amount of tears of sadness and happiness were shed by me and my partener but i'm looking at him now an i cant believe he was once the dog he used to be..He is amazing a strong to deal with the things he has been through..i only hope he knows how much we love him.. ~Twinkletoes
***Edited By: twinkletoes on 4/6/2005 8:21:29 AM*** Reason: edit
OMG, thank the good Lord you two were there for this boy. I hope pray the beast that docked his tail at 3 mo old with scissors no less is spending time behind bars...probably not though. Legislation across this country has got to get stiffer on these subhumans! Dobes are absolutely the sweetest most loyal dogs. My best friend does Dobe rescue and we had a dobe growing up.
I am involved with Chinese Crested rescue and just when you think you've heard it all, along comes the next one. I recently got a foster baby that is a puppymill rescue (that we have since adopted) and it was more than obvious that not only did he have to fight for every last morsel of food he got, but he never knew when he'd be fed again. We've been successful in breaking his food aggression, but he's still a little glutton and I have to watch him closely or he'll all the other 3 dogs' food as well as his own.
There is nothing as heartbreaking, yet so rewarding as doing animal rescue, and its because of people like you willing to take a chance on abused dogs that come with so much baggage that makes it all worth doing. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Would love to see pics of your baby. Please give him pooch smooches from me.
thankyou so much for your reply..i wish more people would adopt as like you said it is sooooo rewarding but does take time especially if you have quite a 'troubled' dog..as for the previous owners (i got him from a dirty filthy puppy farm) i went home and reported them straight away to the rspca and they were closed down..i wish i had enough room and finances to re-home the poor dogs i left behind~it broke my heart..it was awfull in the pen next to wear harvey 'lived' there were dead pups in the sawdust and had obviously been there awhile.. ~Twinkletoes
didn't quite catch on by what was meant by the above comment :-) i HOPE that you are not implying that i am pitsanddobbies (who supposed have caused some trouble) i read the thread. i have just joined today and im from the united kingdom and can esure you im not that person. ~twinkletoes uk
***Edited By: twinkletoes on 4/6/2005 11:37:19 AM*** Reason: ,
We didnt' have a doberman but our akita was in a similar position when we got her. She was kept with 2 older akitas, her mother and her 15 month old brother when we got her at 17 weeks old. She had to compete for food with them, had never beein inside a house, and had never played wtih a single dog toy when we got her. She was extremely submissive to humans, literally cowering away at times, submissive urination. We suspect that the guy believed in beating her down. He said to us, "With an akita, you really have to show them that you're the dominant one.." When we first brought her home, my husbnad geting up and moving around the house would cause submissive urination, it was beyond ridiculous.
Eventually, through patience and love, and the fact that Bowen is such an awesome and nurturing dog, she learned to play with dog toys, share toys, enjoy human contact, was housetrianed after just a few weeks, and got more of a 'real' akita personality, etc. This akita became my first 'show dog'. She's spayed now and lives with my mom, but my mother firmly believes that her conformation training, extreme level of socialization we did with her and the like, it made her the dog she is.
i know~as for harvey i dont know like you said if he ever will be a dog which loves to greet and meet..but dobermanns aren't that type of dog to that. We live in the country side so he doesn't meet a huge amount of people..but those he does meet he acts alittle shy but doesn't chomp at the bit to bite! Hes great with family and friends that come into our home and thats all that matters..but sadly alot of people look at him see hes a dobie and think hes vicious so they dont come near him~it makes me sooo mad!hes a gentle giant and he hasn't even barked once and hes 10 months old! bless him :-) Twinkletoes united kingdom
***Edited By: twinkletoes on 4/6/2005 11:30:16 AM*** Reason: 0
Rojo wrote: "I'm very happy to hear the pup is doing well. Sometimes a pup that is this traumatized never makes a full social recovery. I'd like to dock the ears of that person with the scissors. How cruel!"
I'd like to dock something other than his ears!!!!! Let's just call it his "appendage"
There's only 1 reason after reading this that I find it incredibly suspicious. Thats because I know that both ear cropping and tail docking are totally illegal in Great britain and have been since 1993. The same is true in most of europe in fact. This so'called breeder would have had bobbies on him like white on rice and had his dogs seized, no doubt. Thus, I find it more and more unlikely that this tale is truthful.
I really don't understand people who mistreat animals. Animals are the most decent "people" on earth! I also don't like it when people assume the worst in dobes. I've never personally owned one, but my grandmother lived alone in the country for several years when I was young and she always had a dobe at the house. They were very loyal to her, but I can remember when I was about 4 years old playing with her big red dobe. He was the sweetest thing. And all the dobes I've seen working at the vets I've never met an aggressive one. Anyway three pats on the back for your devotion to Harvy, twinkletoes! Makes me smile. :)
MINNIYAR~ My dogs ears are not cropped ..i never said they were i said they were badly bitten which they were..i know cropping dogs tails is illegal but sadly it frequently happens a rarely see a doberman or any other breed that commonly had its tail docked in the uk with a tail..i'm aware it illegal thats why i reported them also..but sadly (for me although opinions differ an i respect that) docking of tails still continues behind closed doors. ~twinkletoes uk
***Edited By: twinkletoes on 4/6/2005 3:06:36 PM*** Reason: edit
Minniyar - sadly here in the UK, even though it is illegal over here, lots of people will dock there dobes, boxers, rotties tails, etc even though it is illegal : ( i have only seen a boxer once with a tale, - it looked a bit strange lol, which is quite sad, because they should have tales over here.
twinkle - ware in the UK are you from?
***Edited By: xANIMALlover4EVER89x on 4/6/2005 3:12:28 PM*** Reason: *
animal lover~ is the weather better there than it is down here..its supposed to be here summer but its raining cats and dogs..
Joce~ gorgeous doberman..i love looking at pics of them..mines beautifull now but i love to seeing them (the pics) an get an idea of harveys gonna look when hes a fully fledged boy.. out of curiosity..the splints on the ears look painfull ..was it a discomfort to him and why did you choose to have them cropped? The pic of him on the bed made me laugh out loud he looks exactly like mine with that @what you staring at?' look on his face :-) ~twinkletoes uk
The wraps for his ears didn't bug him the slightest bit. He is such a baby and unlike my other dogs when he is in pain you know it right then. he was a little uncomfortable the day we brought him home but that was it. The only time i have seen one react bad to it is when they don't get any pain med(byron barely used any though) or they just get it done by the wrong person. We didn't get the big show cut,i think they look better with the one he has. We originally were not going to do the ears because our vet said how horrible it was(he is no longer our vet) and made us pay for weeks of ear infection treatment. We went to another vet and he said do the ears and he will be fine. And he hasn't had an ear infection since.