My 12 year old MUTT has been recently diagnosed with diabetes. He's spending another day at the vet to work on getting the right insulin dosage (2x daily). My vet wants me to switch his food as well, due to results of blood work showing signs of wastes not getting cleared out like they should. Glucose level was initially 528 mg/dL.
Tried looking around to see if I could purchase said dogfood at a discount somewhere. No Luck. I resent being forced to buy direct from the vet... and now after stumbling onto this site... wonder if there might be a better alternative?
Money is not a Huge issue... but we can't afford to go overboard... if you know what I mean. Clear simple advice is welcome.
My 11yr. male schnauzer was diagnosed with diabetes about 3mo. ago. He is on w/d prescription dog food. I know believe me how hard everything can be. He is on 2 insulin shots a day. He has gotten to the point he is tired of this dog food, but from what I understand and have read unless you want to cook (which I do sometimes) for him there is not other answer. He is finally leveled out and this is after about 4 or 5 gloucose curves. I also have 2 other schnauzers which we are paying out the gazoo for food. The vet said it would be good for them to also eat the w/d because they are little fatties. Sometimes I add boiled chicken and fish and just try to change up the food for him. That is the only way I can get it down him. They have to eat to be able to have their shots. Good luck, I can certainly feel for ya!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, I am pretty sure that Science Diet K/D is a prescription only food that is only given to veterinarians by the Hill's company. I'm not 100% positive, but I've don't think I've ever seen k/d available for sale anywhere else. The thing you have to remember is the diet is balanced and specifically formulated to aid the kidneys in digestion. ANy other food you may try will not be formulated to do the same, and may cause more problems with your dog's diabetes and blood sugar level, so proceed with caution. Even a home cooked meal, if not properly balanced, can upset this delicate balance of diet, health and nutrition.
Don't think of it in terms of it being an expensive dog food, but a way to get your dog the nutrition it needs for the rest of its natural life so you have as much time with him as possible.
***Edited By: Minniyar on 4/7/2005 10:41:58 AM*** Reason: add
I think cooking is a great idea. If its a small dog then i think cooking once a week would be more frugal than buying dog food. Natural food is always beter than dog food, especially for a sick dog. Chicken and rice....and some vitamins...Try talking to your vet about it.
Some vets that i have come across will tell you that only their food is good for your dog...hence you need to buy it from him. You can try calling some other vets and giving them your problem and just request a consultation.
***Edited By: JULZZ819 on 4/7/2005 11:00:48 AM*** Reason: .
The problem you have is that everything you mention or at least I do, the vet does not want you to do. They even frowned on me giving him turkey. I could not see what that would hurt. They say rice when they have diabetes is an absolute no no. Thats why I just add alittle boiled chicken here and there and the other day I put just alittle bacon grease on his food. You can not imagine how dry this crap is. He just gobbled it up. I know my vet would have had a cornary if she had of known, but he went to the vet the next day and his blood sugar was fine. You just have to be careful what they eat. I gripe sometimes about the food but like what was said earlier you want them to have the best nutrition they can get and this dog food is suppose to have everything they need. So I for one really don't care what it costs, he's my baby. And he needs more insulin already. I told him this morning I thought he was drinking it. He is going on his 3rd bottle. But it takes quite a bit of insulin per shot too.
Thank you everyone... it does seem that the dog food in question is unavailable online. So I'll just have to suck it up. The price isn't bad, really... BUT when you consider you're doubling the price for a 20lb. bag... it "bites" at first.
He is my old man... and the vet has said that he should be able to keep going for another 1-2 years... which is all the time I figured we'd have anyway if he stayed in good health. I just hope he will tolerate my giving him the shots... he can be a little cranky and distrustful... but maybe he will begin to feel better- temperament even out a bit now that we know what's going on and he's getting help? Perhaps this will make him easier to deal with.
BTW... I failed to mention that we've added a GR puppy to our home within the past month... I hope it didn't send him over the edge! Maybe if he get's some of that sugar heading back to his muscles and tissues... he'll be a tad more playful with the puppy... lets hope.
My wife had a cat that developed diebetes and was on perscription k/d. This is the only pet food out there for diebetes. Can't find anything else anywhere with the same numbers. The cat lived 10 years on k/d and insulin 2x day. The cat use to get tired of the taste and would stop eating so after consulting with the vet we use to purchase canned tuna in water, not oil, and pour the water over her food to make it appatizing. We use to pour more water over the tuna and get about a week out of a can. We would cheat and give her a little of the tuna from time to time, the vet said it was ok.
If you have a problem with your dog going off his feed because the taste isn't all that apealing ask your vet about a trick or two to make the food palatable for the dog.
A little tip about giving the shot. Move it around a bit. I know they say to give it in the skin at the withers, but if you keep going to the same exact spot he will develop scar tissue and the skin will be tougher for the needle to penetrate and it will hurt him a little.
***Edited By: Renorey on 4/7/2005 3:59:51 PM*** Reason: Additional data
Why, is it that some people spend tones of money on dog treats and stuff the dog doesn't need and is not good for him, but crib about the cost of good quality food? If you only feed the exact amount needed per day to your pet, that will keep the costs low.
Well the w/d which Max is on is 40.00 a case. I think the kibble w/d is alittle bit cheaper, but he will not eat it. I am also feeding 2 others that are not on prescription and it can get pretty costly. I fill his w/d in with can chicken and tuna too because after awhile they get sick of eating the same ole' stuff over and over. The only treats he gets are raw hide and sometimes I give him a Dingo with the chicken filling.
no it's sold only to vets, some pet stores have a comparison type, but not in the diabetic formulation, i know my hubby's dog was on it. The problem is if you do not feed as you should they can develop pancreatitis and that with the diabetes will eventually kill them, it did our dog.
Today I was told my German Sheppard has kidney failure and may not make it. She is in the hospital on an IV, and hopefully we will know more tomorrow about her chances. I went and saw her before I went home tonight and the vet seemed encouraged and she had a much better look in her eyes. If she pulls through, I know I will have to put her on the Hill's k/d and when I found this thread I was trying to determine cost. I found a place called www.bullwrinkle.com and they sell a 40lb bag for $65.99 plus 16.99 shipping. I don't know what it costs to buy it locally, but I thought I would post that here in case someone could use the info.
TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER!! Im a cheapskate and if you want to keep your dog well-YOU CAN ONLY BUY FROM A VET OFFICE!! Theres a reason for it! Your dog is ill!! I don't have time right now to read all the other details, and other peoples posts. If K/D is what they prescribe-thats what you must give them. There ARE NOT ANY ALTERNITIVES! Not LONG turm that is! My pug Holly, was diagnosed as a very teeny baby with a genetic problum called a Liver Shunt, she was also prescribed Hills Canine K/D. If thats what your vet says, PLEASE believe the Vet!! Ive tried other things and they may work for a while but sooner or later they will be so sick! I did get a reciepe for a homemade food, but the Vet on that site that I got it from, recommends only feeding it for a short time! But I did try it, AND, even though Hills has got a new, IMPROVED formula-GOOD LUCK getting your dog to eat the K/D AGAIN after feeding it a "HOMEMADE FOOD", I love my pug Holly, I will also do whatever it takes to keep her WELL! Please take your vets advise! My Pug Holly got so Ill one time that the Vet wanted to put her to sleep!! But my SPUNKY little girl fought the disease, and she's doing well with only her prescription meds, as well as the K/D. There is no SAFE alternative! It is only under special circumstances that a vet will prescribe that food-SO please take the vets advise! So I hope you dont try to experiment and learn the hard way as I did! Your at an advantage, I DIDNT know of this site-so I couldnt ask! Good Luck with your baby- I almost LOST MINE for not giving strictly K/D-SO PLEASE STICK TO IT FOR YOUR AND YOUR BABYS SAKE! You can make treats in your oven with the food by baking in your oven. You just open the can, slice it up, and bake it at 350 for however long you want to! It actually dosnt smell too bad! And dogs like it cooked in variety of ways! Just want to save you the trouble of my 1 year quest to find alternative sellers-or cheaper immitations! ILL SAVE YOU LOTS OF TIME AND EFFORT!! FEED THE FOOD THEY SAID!! Good Luck to you and your baby~!
***Edited By: 763melani on 5/3/2005 2:46:14 AM*** Reason: ADDED INFO
Actually, Hills prescription foods are available online. I am currently researching, as my Jack Russell has been diagnosed with micro vascular dysplasia-similar to a liver shunt. She must have a low protein diet. It is 2.00 per can at my vet, but I found it at RXpetfood.com for 39.62 per case of 24, and at C&Cpetfood for 36.99 per case of 24. After 4000.00 for surgery, tests, anathesia, ultrasounds and biopsies, even a little bit of help is appreciated! Thank goodness for pet insurance tho... I'm still searching for more pricing and availability!
You can buy k/d online, along with other Hills Prescription diets, and despite the name you don't need a prescription. I buy it for my cat from bestpet.co.uk, I checked and you can also buy it for dogs from here. I don't know how much you pay for the dog version at the vets, but for cats it's considerably cheaper online. You can also buy some prescription medicine for about half the usual price if you ask your vets for a prescription note for your pet and send it in. It's certainly worth a look if your pet's on long-term medication or prescription diet.