I'm currently researching these breeds: Anatolian Shepherd, Belgian Tervuren, German Shepherd. And I saw in another post that scout1 has a Anatolian Shepherd. So if you read this, what info can you give me on this breed? I'm doing research online, starting contact with local breeders in the area for this breed, and reading everything I can. But as we all know the best info comes from people with actual experience. Thanks
above is a link to the anatolain - l email list that you can join and speak with anatolian owners. i think you will find that while alot of them have the same characteristics , there is also alot of differences between individual dogs. if you are looking for an obedient dog......one you will without question do everything you ask , an anatolian is not going to make you happy. they are extremely intelligent and teaching them to sit , stay, etc. is very easy ....but making them obey you is another story. case in point.....my scout loves agility, many of them do not. scout will perform the required obstacles in the order she is told too maybe 2-3 times. if after that she is asked to do it again, she will do the first obstacle then run off and do the obstacles she wants to do....in what order she chooses......ad will not come to save your life til she is satisfied she did it the way she chose to. for many die hard obedience people they are horrified that i have such a misbehaved disobedient dog. me.....i have a dog who never ceases to make me laugh, and i know its not entirely disobedience..its just their spin on things when things get boring or mundane.
scout loves toys. some do , some dont. scout loves to play with them, toss them around, even chase them a few times. but they are not obsessed with toys and will not play with them like other dogs. they are not good for kids in this respect because they wont chase a ball or stick for hours or even minutes most times.
in the house they are calm. almost non existent. outside they are prone to the same bursts of incredible energy as some but it doesnt last long and back to silent watch mode they go. extremely athletic and agile they are capable of jumping even five foot fences like nothing. many do not have respect for fences, scout doesnt to a degree. we do not have a fence but when she is next door at our neighbors house playing with their golden, she walks the perimeter of their fence and scopes it out looking for a low point she could hop over. will even put her paws up on it in certain spots to gauge the height. scout is never allowed off leash as she would be and has been gone in a flash, without a fence to contain her.
scout loves other dogs, and cats. she thinks every dog or cat she sees is there to be her friend. she was extensively socialized with dogs while growing up and every experience with another dog was a positve one. any negative experiences with other dogs i removed her right away so she wouldnt grow to have a negative feeling towards them. they have that natural instinct in them already. now my foster dog who is 8 and i have only had for a few months hates other dogs and will attack to injure another dog that even walks down our street. of course she is on a leash so it wouldnt happen but if a stry dog were to come on our property you could bet she would take care of them, as well as any cat, squirrel, bear etc.
they are wonderful with children. but they are a dominant breed and view children as their charges and not their masters. so they need to be shown that the kids in the family are above them in rank. my son is never allowed to give scout or our foster dog a treat or anything wiht out them at least sitting for it.
they are very measured in their responses to threats and biting is reserved for a last ditch effort if all else has failed. when scout was young my sister was visiting. she was play fighting with my son and whacking him with a cat leash. my sister immediately grabbed scouts attention with her actions. scout watched her a few times then got up and grabbed the leash out of my sisters hand and walked away with it. i noticed scouts attention on my sister immediately but let things continue to see what scout would do. i was pleased with scouts response to the situation,. most times they will bark, posture etc. to warn intruders. some are a little more aggressive where they may physically block someone from approaching, hold them in place, or body slam them to the ground and just stand over them. visitors will get greeted wth a fierce warning barks but if you are friendly to the person at the door or you welcome them n your home your asd should settle down and be accepting also.
they are not outgoing dogs. they may go up to someone to sniff and say hi and thats it. people who want to interact with your dog will most likely be ignored. though they are extremely affectionate with their own families. not velcro dogs but very affectionate and loving.
if i have left anything out , or you have specific questions feel free to ask.
We looked into getting a Tervuren for a while, and after doing some research backed down on them. They're beautiful dogs but many of the ones we encountered struck us as very nervous and almost fearful dogs. We've met some from lines that seem more 'calm' but our overall impression of them was that they were not the dog for us because of that extreme nervous quality.
i have grown up with the gsd and my parents still have that breed. they are an extreme contrast to the anatolian. they are a highly driven breed who absolutely needs an outlet for their enrgy and drive. they are also an intelligent breed but their intelligence lends them to different behaviors then in the asd. they have a constant thinking , i have to do something type mentality. they would be good for kids because they like to be involved in everything that is going on, they love to chase balls, sticks etc. are usually more then willing to do anything you ask of them. they were bred to follow the direction of man and to serve them in any capacity that is required of them. the asd was bred to work alone and subsequently make their own decisions on how things should be and how to get that result. my parents current dogs are highly driven which make them excellent for the obedience and shutzhund work that my mom does wiht them. but it also makes them a bit harder to live with as they are constant motion. always looking for something to do, whether its just following you around to see if they can help you, or patrolling the house making sure everything is secure. when i pet sit for them i leave their house exhausted because they are just constant activity.
the gsd being a popular breed and the most versatile of all the breeds out there has lent it self to overbreeding and a huge decline in both physical health and mental soundness. there are probably more genetic afflictions that plague the gsd then any other breed out there. ranging anywhere from eye problems, to digestive problems, to bone disorders, to neurosis/anxiety problems. we have had both german bred and american bred gsd's and the german breds have a much more even temperament. they are less neurotic and a lot healthier then their american counterparts. though the german bred gsd's tend to be higher driven and sometimes tougher to handle they make the better of the two as house dogs. more stable around company , kids, etc. one thing i have noticed with the different lines is that german bred gsd's tend to have more animal aggression then the american bred dogs. not sure if that is for real or not but that is our experience with all the ones we have had the past 40 years.
gsd's need a job. it can be sometimes hard ot explain what i mean by this but they have a constantly working mind and if not exercised both physically and mentally they are prone to extreme destruction. they are not a dog that a once a week obedience lesson or once a month hike wil suffice. they need both on a daily basis. when my mothers dog had her litter, she wwas out of shutzhund training for 3 months. just about drove my mom over the edge for those three months. but i think engie is also an extreme in temperament. she is very work driven and thrives best when doing something.
i will always love the gsd breed. finding a well bred gsd and you will have a dog that will be the best dog you have ever known. but it is very hard to find a well bred one sadly enough.
Thanks scout1. That really helped. I'm not looking for a super obedient dog. I'm a dog lover. I just want a really cool dog as a companion to hang out with, and be part of the family. And I've grown up around dogs my whole life, and I do prefer larger breeds. The fact that Anatolian's are calm inside is something I'm also looking for. Whatever breed I decide on, I have decided that I'm going to try my best to socialize it as much as possible with other people, and animals from the start. That is one thing that is important to me. Now its just a matter of contacting local breeders. What is the average price for a Anatolian puppy?
i have seen anatolians range anywhere from 400 - 1200 dollars. pet quality from the breeder i bought scout from was a 1000.00. average price range is 800.00 from a quality breeder.
the anatolian , while a large breed, is relatively healthy and long lived. they liveon average 11 - 14 years. if used as a lgd i am sure their life span is shortened due to their working/living environment. they really have no serious health concerns that are dominant in the breed. as wiht any large breed you should research hiip ratings on both parents, seeing a good or excellent rating in the lines. thryroid problems are present but rare so parents and grandparents should be tested negative. they are a pretty healthy breed all around. to find a reputable breeder in your area or close by please check out the breed club website..... http://www.asdca.org they have a USA map and when you click on an individual state it will list breeders in that state. where do you live ? i live in new jersey and there are not many near me. i traveled to florida to get scout. i have since met a few breeders closer to home.
i cannot stress to you enough the importance of socializing an anatolain puppy. socializing is very important with all breeds but more so with an anatolian. lack of positive interactions with both people and other animals can leaad to a serious out of control aggressive dog that is a huge liability.
there is no need to teach this dog any kind of protective behaviors. all of them have it instinctually. protection sports such as shutzhund should be avoided. protection with them is serious, it is not a game or a behavior that can be turned on and off like in other breeds that are used for these types of sports.
the club site can send you lots more info on the breed. there is also a book written by richard beachamp called simply " anatolian shepherd dog " put out thru kennel club books. it is the only written book on the breed out there. it is very good.
you could also research lgd's in general. they all have pretty similiar characteristics. they are truly a unique breed of dogs.
"cool" dog ...yes. but also fristrating, stubborn, independent etc. unlike any dog you have come across before.
minniyar is roght about the terveruen, can be vervous and snappy, I own a malinois, same dog...different coat. the high energy herding dogs can be a bit to handle. I never recommend anyone get a belgian shepard as a pet. my mal was a war training and is on the nervous side. I love him now that he is here. but if i knew what i know now. he has a lot of undesirable traits for a mal. and most of the beligans are strong willed, they are chewers. they are twitchy. I am getting one more mal. from a friend. whom I have met the fututre mom and dad. These pups are going to be excellent. the other thing about beligan shepards is they need a job. they will destroy the house if they get bored. gunny has to play on a daily basis. my mom has malinois. the malinois and terveren are the same dog. malinois mom's have given birth to terveuen. my moms mal. has ripped tiles off her kitchen floor. me and my moms mals are very much on the docile side.
Scout 1 that was a very good response. I have two GSD, one is the american type and the other german. In my experience the male GSD's are more caring then the female. The female GSD's are always a little too over protective no matter how hard you try. Our GSD's both are good with kids because they love to play all day. They do need the mental stimulation because they do as we say but are always thinking.
German shepherds are wonderful dogs! I think they are really sweet, and they are great with kids. They do need to be raised around them. GSDs need a job, and mine's jobs are to protect and play with our daughter. They are very active and do best if you have time to let them run loose or take them for walks every day. their best home though, is the same as every other breed. Inside with their families.
Thanks for the info everybody. Right now, my #1 pick is the Anatolian Shepherd. And German Shepherd is #2. It depends on what size house and yard I get next month to be honest with you. I'm also in the process of talking to various breeders this week, and still reading everything I can on both breeds. I've even been asking around about local dog parks in the area. I'm hearing good things for the most part, but I have heard a few nightmare stories about puppies being killed by older dogs too. Anybody have experience with dog parks? Any other suggestions to socialize puppies with people and other animals?
i tok scout to the supermarket which is in a big shopping center and just walked her around. people and kids always wanted to stop and say hi to the puppy so it was real easy. i also tok her to work with me so she got a chance to play with other dogs on an almost daily basis.
i have never been to a dog park mainly because the closest dog park to me is an hour away. i have heard that some dog parks have seperate areas for small dogs and large dogs. maybe while the puppy is still small you should keep it in the small dog area.
i have never heard of large dogs killing puppies. from what i have always read adult dogs are usually extrmely tolerant of puppies because they know they are babies. it is when they get bigger around 4 months that an older dog will start disciplining them. some dogs however just do not like other dogs at all and could conceivably hurt a puppy. but i would hope you wouldnt find dogs like that at a dog park.