Got a call to night from the people that own the stud dog I bred my Corgi too.
First off let me explain somethings.
I was breeding my female with a stud dog where the stud fee would be paid when the first puppy was sold. They guantee (2) live puppies.
Well when I went and got my dog from them they said that they hadn't bred, so we weren't expecting any puppies. Then it turned out that she was pregant.
Well when I called and told them that she had a puppy. They said that they wouldn't charge me since they gurantee two puppies. That if I wanted a re-breeding then I would have to pay the stud fee, but they wouldn't bred to my female again. It would have to be another female.
So she called tonight and told me that they feel that since I am keeping the puppy and not selling him I should pay half of the stud fee. Since they aren't getting anything from this breeding and I am in a since getting a free puppy.
Well we had to pay a 600 dollar C-section bill so I don't see how we are getting him free.
Anyway I kind of see their point, but they do guarentee (2) puppies and if they are not willing to breed to my female again I don't see that I should have to pay them.
I know if I was in there shoes I wouldn't charge for the stud fee, but that is just me.
So what do the rest of you think, because now she is saying that they might be willing to breed to Magic again, but my husband wants to just find another stud dog perferably one closer and I just know if I do bred her again I want to have her AI'd. Which they don't have a problem with.
Any in put would be helpful. I am dredding bringing this up to my husband. He didn't want to pay them in the first place once we did find out that she was actually pregant. So I can just imagine what he will say now.
I would follow what you have in writing. It does not matter what you are doing with the pup. I don't see how you keeping the pup affects them. I would defintly not breed with these people again. They really seem to care about getting paid. first sign of someone not to buisness with
is their 2 pup guarntee in writting- then it is their loss. they drew up the contract and it was THEIR words not yours. if i was in teir shoes i would not guarantee 2 pups because the MOM is the one who deternimes the ## of pups not the dad. the moms body say- drop 1 4 ,6 ect eggs but if they had it in writing & you have a copy then it;s them IMO
Even a verbal contract is still a contract. However, since they have the stud they can refuse to sign the litter registration. At that point you all will wind up going to court over it. You will probably win. You can't just change your mind in these types of situations. Thats why you write contracts, even with friends.
as they said they wouldnt charge for only one pup then no you should pay them. And if you sold that pup you would still be getting something out of it. Also I would never use them again as the were so irresponsible the first time
I fail to see their point for wanting half the stud fee because you keeping the pup. What difference does it make if you keep or sell the pup? They wouldn’t be entitled to anything if you were to sell the pup anyway, so what is their point. It is the same as if you would sell the pup and buy another one for the same price. I don’t get it.
They should be held up to the terms of your mutual agreement. If not, small claim court is a cheap and effective option.
BTW, small claim court is only for money. the judge can't force them to sign the litter application, but you can ask for the price of the pup.
***Edited By: lucina on 4/13/2005 5:36:57 AM*** Reason: sp
Another point that I haven't seen anyone mention yet. You mention that they are "thinking" of breeding your female again. She just went through a very traumatic delivery, especially with the c-section. Please don't breed her on her next heat cycle. Wait until the following heat, at least.
How is that puppy doing? I believe I saw pictures after he was first born, but haven't seen any updates.
I was kind of wondering that myself of what it mattered if I was keeping him or selling him. Maybe they still would have wanted half the money, but since I am keeping him she just said that way. I don't know, but it doesn't seem like they should change their mind three weeks later.
They already sent the application to me and it is signed. That was when they said they wouldn't charge us unless we decieded to breed to them again.
Also if I do breed her it won't be until next March or when she has her second heat. I havent' decided if I want to go though that again or not. I know my mom would really like a puppy out of Magic, but it might just be as easy just to buy her one, train it for her and then send it to her.
I offered to let them use leperachan for stud service when he was older. I figured that would be far to both of us. I wouldn't have to pay them any out of pocket expense and they would get a whole litter to sell.
They breed mostly for the money. They breed their dogs every time they have a heat cycle. She told my last night that they are cutting back on breeding the small dogs and are looking into getting more Bernese. That way they can make more money with less effort.
I should have checked them out better I know, but I guess this is a live and learn kind of thing. I didn't ask them how often they breed their dogs, but I figured they were OK since they made me get a brusiolcis test, and they vacinate their puppies. They don't have them checked out by a vet before they sell them though unless they are being shipped.
I know what questions to ask now though.
Thanks for the in put. Also I have more updated pictures, but when I try to do anything with the picture the computer says there is a systems error. So I have to see if we can fix it. My husband is suppost to be do the recovery on the computer and I am hoping that will fix the problem. We will see. I'll post the new pictures as soon as I can. I need to take more he is up and walking now. He has even already started his potty training, and his teeth are really coming in so I have started his sold food already also.
***Edited By: langniappe on 4/13/2005 10:55:06 AM*** Reason: added somethings.
1. The stud fee is due and payable in cash at the time the bitch is brought in for service unless other arrangements have been made in advance. ALL STUD FEES ARE NON-REFUNDABLE.
2. It is hereby guaranteed that said bitch will whelp a litter of at least 3 live pups. If a litter of less then 3 pups is whelped, a free return service will be given. Should less then 3 pups survive, due to negligence on the part of the owner of the bitch, or due to death from distemper or other diseases, the guarantee is voided.
3. Any free return service (noted above) will be given ONLY to the bitch noted in this contract. Should said bitch die or become unable to conceive or carry a litter, the owners of the stud are no longer obligated to offer a free return service. The guarantee of 3 live pups is considered fulfilled when the bitch whelps a total of three pups from the original breeding, or the free return service. If the bitch again whelps a litter of less than 3 surviving pups, the owners of the stud is no longer obligated to offer a free return service. ONLY IF THE BITCH GETS BRED MORE THEN 2 TIMES.
4. Owner of the bitch hereby agrees to furnish the owners of the stud with a color photo of all surviving pups in the litter. Owners of the stud is not obligated to sign the litter registration form until said photos are received. Owner of bitch hereby agrees to provide the owners of the stud with a color photo of said bitches complete pedigree. and it says.
Sounds like a puppymill to me. It is so incredibly wrong to breed a dog on every heat cycle. For goodness sakes, a dog needs a break! I mean imagine it! UGH! The poor dogs would not even be able to replenish calcium and other nutrients fast enough, it takes so much out of them. The money should be the LAST reason to breed!
There was a simular situation like this a while back. I agree with Gunny and Icy. Bassett has a good point too. Were you planning to register the puppy? If so they kind of have you over a barrel there.
Langniappe never said anything about breeding her Corgi again "right away" after this ordeal. Ya'll need to get a grip and read what she said. I know everyone is Spay & Nuter crazy around her, not saying it's a bad thing which it's not but give some ppl a break.
Another thing is if they told you that since you only got one puppy out of the breeding that they wouldn't charge you then that is a agreement they made. It's thier gurantee.
I defiantly would not work with them again, they can't even keep a proper agreement. It's very unprofessional. Contracts are the only way to go.