It is bones and raw food. It is all a matter of opinion on whether you feed it or not. I just started it and really love it for Ella. The concentration of stomach acid in a dog and the time it takes for raw foods to be digested makes it safe against food illnesses people would normally get. Kibble digests at a slower rate, and can also harbor things like salmonella, as well as things I did not care to go into my dog. There are several articles out there that try to dispell that it is a good idea, but there are several people that have brought there dogs back from illness and injury using this. It has been noted that dogs and wolves have the same digestive needs and require raw meet. There bodies are similar and have not evolved to where any needs have changed. And there have not been any cases noted of dogs actually getting salmonella from eating raw meat. It is a vet culture. Peoples dogs get sick and they run to the vet and hang on every word. Vets don't like raw foods because A. They went to a college that was sponsored by Purina, IAMS, etc. and that is what they learned. B. They sell pet foods in bags in the waiting room, and C. They were never taught any benefits of raw foods, and that it won't make a dog sick. Kelly
Ellasmom, that was a really ridiculous post. "Kibble digests at a slower rate, and can also harbor things like salmonella, as well as things I did not care to go into my dog." Actually, samonella comes from raw food, not cooked kibble. You can't get samonella from eating fried cooked chicken, right? Right. However, you can get it from raw chicken. So what you are saying is that dogs can get samonella from cooked kibble, but they can't get it from raw food? That is way inverted. Even if the kibble had samonella which it 99.9% won't, it would be dried and dead.
yeah ellasmom. The reason vets were taught about purinaone is because that is the number 1 dog food out there. I don't even know why someone would be so...........................I don't even know what to say as to feed their dogs raw meat, whereas they can buy dry purinaone kibble which promotes clean teeth, healthy skin and coat, and keeps them trim. Not one show person that I have heard from feeds their dog raw food, and most that actually show give them purinaone dog food, that is why they always look in top shape with shiny coats when you actually see them at dog shows. Have fun lying to everybody about how much healthier a BARF diet is rather then a balanced diet of purinaone dry kibble dog food.
Ellasmom Vets are not against raw healthy foods, they promote healthy balanced diets. This is difficult to accomplish with a home cooked diet. Hopefully this little guy is getting food from all four food groups. Dogs are Omnivores in reality, they can get their nutrition from different food sources. A cat is a true Carnivore, it has to have a meat source. So a dog could go on a Vegatarian diet. Meats can have chemical contaminants even raw. Farm animals are given injections. Vegetables are sprayed with chemicals, many things to take into consideration. The bags of food we sell in the waiting room save lives in some cases, and we would never promote Purina, or sell Iams in our clinic. Hill/Science diet is used in Veterinary schools as a educational tool. The company can give people a receipe to try and duplicate the diet needed, not Purina, I wouldn't use that food as a treat.
Okkkk. First off, no vet school is sponsored by a single large company. They're often run off of donations and research projects funded by a variety of sources, some may be dog food manufacturers, the AKC and many national breed clubs fund research at vet colleges, most of it is given private donors, former alumni, or corporations run by Alumni. The idea that the Vet Schools and their teaching curriculum is controlled by dog food manufacturers is so absurd it's laughable. Secondly, if you are so derisive of veterinarians, their dietary recommendations, and their corrupt nature, I'm amazed you even trust them enough to consult you on health problems regarding Ella and your other pets. How can all they be so wrong on one thing (diet), and right on nearly everything else? I'd sure like to know how/why barf food is bacteria free and kibble is not. Even your barf links that you've posted specifically say that the meat processing methods in the US for human meat are not without risks, and actually increases the likelihood of there being detrimental bacteria. That is so important that we all wash our hands and countertops when preparing any meats or vegetables. As I've said before, if the BARF proponents have some actual feeding trials vs kibble that take place over a few years that proves BARF fed dogs are so much healthier/long lived/etc I'm always open to raw data (ha, no pun intended). But just hearing opinions is pretty useless. Kind of like those people who breed mixed breed dogs that are healthier. It's an opinion, but I haven't seen any raw data that proves it. Pardon me for going into what could be another health fad with my eyes open and asking questions.
OMG sue, you said what I've been trying to say all along. That's right, vets promote healthy diets that are very hard to achieve with a home cooked diet (and just as hard to achieve with a raw diet). Thank you. I can rattle some scientific data that proves it if it'll make you feel better. I wuv scientific data. It's my statistical abstracts class coming back to haunt me.
Actually chili, dogs can live on vegetarian diets, though it is not natural for them to do so. And they can do very well on one, though they have to eat more because the food is harder for them to digest. It's cats that can die on a vegetarian diet, or go blind, more commonly.
Can you imagine trying to raise a puppy on just vegetables? My red chihuahua long hair almost died when she was a puppy because she was so underweight. What food did we use? Nutro Max puppy. So if an actual dog food with meat in it makes her thin, I cannot imagine her on a diet of all vegetables. She was healthy, but when she was on nutro max she was so thin. Besides that she was a healthy, active pup. Before that she ate iams or purina, which she was fine on. So if she can't even do well on the scarcely meaty nutro max, I can't imagine her on vegetables That is why I said that Sue. Now she just eats Iams weight loss along with another overweight dog, while the other 2 eat PurinaONE puppy food. Strange. She used to be thin and now she is overweight, but she is losing a little gradually.
chili when they mention the word diet they are not referring to a losing weight diet. the word diet is another term for what the dog is eating.what type of food = the word diet. i hope that makes sense. i was just trying to clarify for you
Chili P. You can get salmonella in kibble because after they have cooked all the nutrition out of it, extruded, they pour renderingss- sometimes restaurant grease over it, bought in drums from restaurants in the US. Don't you research? Does anyone research? You can feed what you want. I have sent to the list http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm over and over. Here is another one. # http://www.homestead.com/VonHapsburg/petfood.html There is plenty more info out there plus books that tells how kibble is manufactured. and NO ONE SAID FOR YOU TO FEED FRIGGING RAW!!! I am, and I am happy with my decision. What do you want? It is my personal choice. You can feed your dog cr-- for all I care. I don't care. Kelly
Kelly Your dog can get also get salmonella from eating raw meat, which passes through a variety of conditions before making it to your grocer's meat rack for your selection and feeding in a raw diet to your beloved pet. Can't you research? Now why would a dog be less likely to get salmonella from raw diet than from a processed kibble? Wait! I forgot, dogs have those super fast digestive systems that digest food so fast the bacteria can't take affect. Silly me. And I know you constantly post that article about the peoples beloved euthanized dogs and cats being used in the pet food industry. Do you want me to repost that study that tested for dog and cat dna in over 50 popular brands of dog food and came up with an absolute negative on the presence of pet dna in every single one?
I am tired. Is there really any point to your arguement anymore? You do not like what I am feeding my dog. I get that. I have sent articles, too of what kibble is made of and how it is manufactured and you never commented on that. You obviiously want everyone to agree with you. I am going to feed my diet. I suggest you do some research on BHT, Ethoxyquin, colorings, additives, etc.. I am through discussing this any further. You are a control freak.