I think that declawing is ok if the cat lives inside all the time, has no interest in going outside, and is just pretty much the owner's pampered pet. However, if the cat lives around dogs, goes outside often, and loves to play with it's toys, I think that the cat should be left with it's claws. I don't think that declawing is cruel, you just have to think why you are doing it and you have to think accordingly to how your cat behaves, what it likes to do.....(ex: go outside) I have a persian cat who is around my 4 chihuahuas, and she is not declawed. She has a scrathcing post, she goes outside in the backyard through the doggie door, and comes back in after about 10 minutes. So, it is ok I think for my cat to have claws, although she is mainly inside, she does go outside like once a day, she likes her scracthing post, and she lives around dogs. For all those reasons, that is why we never declawed her. She is very well behaved, too. She has never omce scratched the furniture. What do you feel about declawing?
I dont agree with declawing cats personally. I've never done it, I believe by doing so you take away a cat's natural ability to protect itself. I think its a personal preference, I am willing to tolerate couches made into scratching posts, etc. But some people can't or won't.
I don't necessarily see it as cruel than sort of dumb. Thats what a cat is, a hunter with claws. It takes away the coolness of being a cat.But can you imagine if it became illegal? Think of how many cats would be given up. I have a cat now that I adopted many years ago and he has no claws, he stays indoors because he is FIV positive. He was a positive cat when I found him, that was 15 years ago. I don't see it as a way to protect himself, thats my job. I would never leave him in a situation that he could be attacked for example. If say a coyote went after a cat, his claws would be useless. An outdoor cat does use his claws for fighting, but he really shouldn't go out. Why risk his health. But you know what ?,I do think cats belong outside, but its to dangerous. Daniel does still ask to go out. But we don't let him, he slipped out a few years ago and was attacked by another cat and had to have a huge wound attended to.
I had a foster cat who was the sweetest thing in our home but while at the shelter/vet he freaked. That's why he was placed with us on a long term foster until his forever home was found, "special needs". The cat behaviouralist associated it with the fact that he was declawed and he knew in the shelter environment he was near vets. We had to take him to see the vet on 3 diff't occasions. They had to put him under to do simple blood work because he hated the vet so much. He was finally adopted but the vet obviously wasn't using their head too much because while he was under the first time they forgot to chip him. It took 4 vet techs and the vet to hold that cat down to get the microchip in. The vet who was scheduled to work that day actually took the day off to avoid him. He was so upset he pooped all over the floor and we could hear what was going on 100 feet away through a lead door. Oh yeah, and the adoptive parent was there to witness it all. Thank god he didn't change his mind. Although it's convenient to the human to have such a procedure done, I've seen first hand how it can emotionally scar an animal. Luckily for this cat, the procedure went well with no physical scarring but he was permanently emotionally disturbed. Removing a cats claws is the equivalent of pulling out your own finger nails. Yes it's painful when you wake up and the pain will eventually go away but there's always risk for infection and complication not to mention the long term mental affects. I think it's very cruel IMHO and experience.
I don't think that it is cruel, I think that if you truly want it done you need to think why. Is the cat an indoor cat, or is it an outdoor cat? If it is outdoor, then leave them on. If it is an indoor lazy cat who does nothing, leave them on. If the cat constanly terrorizes your dog with it's claws for no reason, ignores the scratching post, and scratches hard during play, I can understand that.
Is that not natural for a cat though? It's instinctual for them to act that way, I'd talk to a behaviourist first and exhaust all other resources before taking the easiest way out. It's the same as 'debarking' a dog. You know that dogs will bark and if you're annoyed by the potential for noise then why get a dog to subject it to such cruelty. I think it's cruel, especially from my experience with it. I'm sure one day it will be outlawed with canine earcropping because it's based on aesthetics or preserving the beloved sofa.
well i hope the day never comes where it is illegal to declaw a cat. that will be the day i don't have cats anymore. i have had 4 cats. 3 declawed and one not. the undeclawed cat i found as a stray and she was an indoor / outdoor cat so i never had her done. when i moved out of my parents house and took her with me she became strictly indoors. the destruction she did was unbelievable.she was never interested in scratching posts. the two cats i have now are both declawed. they are happy and well adjusted cats. they never have a fit when they go to the vets. they are just as nice there as they are at home. my one cat is hell bent on getting out in the summer and finds ways to escape. she has never fought with any cats outside so i can't tell you if she would need her claws to defend herself. i can tell you though that she is an awesome hunter much to my dismay. she catches mice, moles and can even catch birds. she doesn't seem to miss her claws at all. i do not think it is cruel to declaw at all but i don't see the neccessity of an all four declaw. i only have the front claws removed.
I will never get another cat declawed after seeing the info about it online. They compare it to chopping off our fingers at the first knuckle. I think it's very cruel and can cause problems later in life. I can deal with scratched up furniture. If you want pets you sometimes have to make sacrifices.
all my cats were always declawed. even two that still wondered out every now and then, then could still climb trees and still bring me little animals. i have watched the surgery done several times, and i really don't think its as bad as some do. it really helps when people are in wheelchairs and can't have a pet scratch them. our clinic has actually declawed all four paws for some parapalegics.
Carott you are sounding like someone from peta. Debarking is not cruel at all. You usually do it if you have alot of barking dogs. There are 2 ways to debark a dog: To take out all of the vocal cords, or to simply punch a hole in the vocal cords. A chihuahua breeder/friend of ours has almost all of her dogs debarked, and they don't know that they can't bark! They think that they still can. She has her chihuahua vet do it the hole-punchy way. declawing will most likely never become illegal carott, and it is most certainly not cruel. The cats don't really care except for the first day. Debarking is not cruel either. And cropping and docking is not cruel either. It makes the dogs look very sharp and alert.
Whatever you say Chili Pepper! You asked how people felt about declawing and I simply stated my opinion. Don't tell me who I do and do not sound like, especially when it comes to PETA because I do not believe in a lot of their methods and I don't appreciate the association. Although they are working toward the greater good and they are beneficial in some ways, their views are a little extremist to my liking. I'm simply stating my opinion like everyone else, if you don't agree with it fine, you're entitled to that. I'm just raising points like other members; If some of these methods are not cruel then why are more and more vets refusing to do these procedures? And why are they already outlawed in some countries altogether?
Its not so hard to teach a cat not to claw you or your furniture - I think that de-clawing is pretty hard on them, and the older they are, the harder it is - pretty much like cutting off the tips of your fingers - ouch! A compromise might be to have a DDFT (Deep Digital Flexor Tendonectomy) done - this is where the tendon that "activates" their claws is cut, so they can't claw anymore, yet still have their claws - With this procedure you have to be vigilant about cutting their nails, and since they can't sharpen them they become thicker (hard to describe). At least this procedure doesn't seem to be quite as painful to the cat...... Really, you can teach them not to claw tho.
It depends on the reason, in my opinion. If they are really destructive or vicious with other animals or people, they should probably be declawed. I think that regular nail trimmings are the best alternative. It keeps them from being able to claw and sctratch hard, but they can still climb.
I have 2 cats that are indoor and out door cats. Niether are declawed. I would compare declawing to the same as ear cropping or debarking or tail docking. These methods are cruel. Your are removing part of an animals limbs. It's cruel and painful,and again the surgery has no health benefits. It's only to please the human for selfish reasons.Such as vanity,or because you don't want to take the time to redirect your cat from scratching. Then you shouldn't have a cat if you can't deal with the scratching.
rednosered: cropping is not cruel. The thing is, the dogs notice it for the first 3 days, and then it doesn't phase them. YOU think it is cruel, so you try ti make it sound like the dogs are miserable with it. Docking, on the other hand, does make it harder for other dogs to see their tails wagging, but it also, only hurts for a few days. Debarking is a humane method to stop a dog from barking, even though the owner has tried to train it, or they have a bunch of dogs. We know a breeder of dogs who has a bunch of them, but they are all properly cared for, they all get fed individually each day, and all their nails get trimmed. She doesn't want neighbours to complain about her dogs, so she gets only the ones that actually bark de-barked. She has a chihuahua shower/vet do it a simple way. He punches a hole in the vocal cords. Guess what? The dogs don't even know that they can't bark! They still "bark" But it just sounds like they are blowing out air!
"It's only to please the human for selfish reasons" That is the most childish post. Not every human is selfish. Again, the dogs don't notice that they have erect ears instead of floppy ones! They trim about 1/4 inch off! I...I don't even know what to say to that post up there. So, basically you think that any person who gets their ears cropped hates their dog, doesn't care about it, and crams it into a crate for the rest of it's life? Why don't you think about what you say. Oh, and if you want a cat, that doesn't mean that you have to let it tear up your furniture without getting it declawed. That sounded really dumb. They don't have to let them ruin their things without at least a bit of training.(Which is nearly impossible with a cat) Cats can still climb being declawed, so I don't know why you are making a big fuss about it!
Chili Pepper: Why would you ask people how they feel about a certain topic only to sit there and justify your own opinion. You agree with it? Fine, but obviously not everyone does. If you don't want varying opinions then don't ask a question or address it only to those who agree with your thoughts. Oh and BTW my cat is 'clicker trained', with patience and praise it's possible.
I got a cat from the humane society that was declawed, and he was very well adjusted to no claws, of course he only stayed inside. He was a happy, playful, and lovable cat. I have one cat now that is not declawed. I did not want to declaw because the surgery sounds so harsh, and he goes outside for about 15 minutes everyday.