I've owned a virtual who's who list of large, dominant, and potentially "aggressive" canines. That being said at only one time, for several months did I own two of these dogs simultaneously..they were both nuetered males...yes I'm aware of the male vs female facts and theories. Breeds I've owned include..Bullmastiff, Rottweiler, Bouviers des Flandres, fostered a Kuvasz and as a teenager an Akita. My current dog/puppy is a Dogue de Bordeaux. I obviously love big, drooling dogs..lol.
My little one(puppy) is three months old. He's already showing aggressive dog on dog tendencies. This is not unwelcomed considering I live in a rural, farming community, I expected this behavior, essentially why I selected this breed, btw he will also be nuetered. Unfortunately this is also my problem. I want to add another large puppy/dog sooner than later. Is there a "window" so to speak when another family member should be added?? If nuetered, but still dog aggressive will gender matter?? I'm not a pro...but all of my dogs have been splendid with people and very well trained, but training not always affects genetic tendencies and heritage when two or even one dog is involved. I would like a male...but flexible. Regardless of breed choice I/we prefer large/giant dogs. Would a rather placcid big dog like an Irish Wolfhound, Newfoundland or another big hound be a better fit than say...an Anatolian or Tibetan Mastiff?? Just curious and unsure of what to do next. Thanks..e
Although I truly believe that much of a dog's early personality can be inherited- an AWFUL lot of it is related to experience and socialization. A 3 month old puppy showing signs of aggression towards anything is a frightening thought- I certainly hope you plan on working on his socialization in a heavy-duty sort of way.
I know a woman in S FL who's fostered several Dogues (beautiful creatures)- and dog-dog aggression is NOT something she's experienced amongst any of them (she has upwards of 3 dogs around and all times).
The better Dogue breeders are NOT encouraging animal aggression in their lines- as it's never been a necessary part of the breed at all. The "guard" and personal protection dogs should NOT be animal aggressive if they're expected to perform their duty- the distraction of a cat zipping by shouldn't make them lose their cool.
I would make socializing HIM a priority now- work on adding another after you've gotten his nastiness in check. He sounds like he's going to be a handful!
No offense..dog on dog aggression here. My dogs can and will and have killed coyotes. Wonderful with people, bad with things "resembling" dogs. These are farm dogs, seldom if ever leave their place of business..but still love the UPS, Fed Ex and the USPS..plus the plumber, census taker, political interns(don't laugh), carpenters,electricians..etc..
My dogs are not bad with people. They are just plain nasty with dogs/coyotes that try to kill farm animals. If the dogs miss these livestock killers I do not ;). e
Getting a puppy, it most likely will just become part of the pack. dog can sense age differnce even up to a dingle month. your older dog may try to dominate. It will not hurt the other dog. I am curious how do you train the dogs to be livestock guarders
In terms of training...a very good question Gunny, nice screen name BTW. What have I done??? Very little in terms of livestock guardianship. All dogs, although they seldom leave my property are very well socialized...my business...landscaping co...meets 5 days a week on my property, we discuss the days' projects. People are always coming and going all year round day and night, often the "boss" is not there...never, ever once a problem.
I may have an unusual set up...livestock...maybe an incorrect adjective,,,I have a lot of free range turkey, a few goats, rent space to a swine owner and fostered a few sheep (know jack squat about them). Honestly i've done very very little in developing their aggresive dog on dog tendencies, wouldn't even know how to start and obviously wouldn't want to pit domsticated dog versus domesticated dog...coyotes are another story. Maybe I've been lucky. My dogs and myself have always bonded...like I said..I'm hardly a pro.
I guess an "aggressive" dog, wary of other dogs, defending his property and family combined with smarts, size and genetics sometimes figure things out for themselves.. I'm.hardly an expert...only have about 3 dogs to compare this puppy with, all disliked/hated other dogs. Maybe I need some couch time at the local shrink...I'm either on something or onto something. cheers e
Obispo, I can't answer your question in the slightest bit, I just wanted to say that I'm rooting for the Tibetan Mastiff. Saw my first one up close a couple years ago, and I've been smitten ever since. Just an awesome, awesome dog. Nice juxtaposition against the Dogue too. Go Red Sox! Go Tibetan Mastiffs!
I'm honest. My dogs are good with people, and usually try to kill/drive away other dogs... Petsmart would be an adventure and a 6 figure lawsuit. The dogs I'm looking at other than a few examples I gave are leaning towards a big "friendly" one. Scout will prob talk me into an Anatolian, possibly a Malinois(not huge...but damn smart) or a Tibetan. I'm just wondering if a big happy go lucky dopey big dog and the wrecking ball of a puppy would be a good fit. Damn I need some sleep...only Bessie or scout know what I'm trying to say...words just ain't coming out right. good night
You are making perfect sense, obi, relax. If it were me, I'd get the pup now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but dogs are so much more adaptable while they are young. Seize the moment. Rejoice in Pedro's fastball, and let scout sweet talk you into an Anatolian. It will make her day.
i love the dogue de boreaux or as some call them french mastiffs. beautiful dogs ! i would say if you want another puppy then go for it. you might be better off with a female though as they will tend to get along better than two males. two males might get into alot of squabbles trying to prove who will be the alpha dog. a male and a female usually do well together because even though he knows he is the king he will tend to let the female be the boss because he knows exactly why they call them "bitches" lol
tough situation, really. from what i have heard dogues do tend to be other dog aggressive. i believe it was mizzi who told me this and that is why she did not go with this breed when she was looking at them and the corsos.
in many respects i would say to get another dog now while your pup is still young so they have a chance to grow and bond with each other. definitely getting any breed of the opposite sex is what you should start out doing. dominant breeds tend to be more same sex aggressive.
in your case i think i would start socializing your puppy more with other dogs. maybe adult dogs who are not so aggressive but will put him in his place when he acts out. it wont ruin his natural predatory control instinct but will teach him some manners when he is exposed to toher dogs outside his property. there will be a time when he needs to go to the vet or someplace else where he is going to come in to contact with other dogs and he should adopt the attitude of allofness towards them so it makes things easier on all involved. you are the master in your home so you should be able to show him what you expect of him and his behaviors and mold him in to what is acceptable and what isnt. you are not going to going to override genetics to a degree but you can shape him in to a more suitable attitude. he actually will be a much happier dog if he knows what is expected of him. now is a great time to start teaching him as he is not old enough yet to have too much ingrained in to his memory banks.
now, of course i would talk you into either an anatolian or a tibetan mastiff. i absolutely adore both breeds. the one problem i see is that they never forget and are capable of holding on to a grudge. so if you bring one of these pups home and your dogue is aloowed to beat on and torment the new pup that little pup may retaliate when it gets bigger and stronger. some will have the tenacitty to try and take them on as young pups but some will wait for the day when they are bigger and stronger and then the dogue may be in for a world of hurting. plus if the only experience the new pup has of other pups/dogs is aggressive ones then he will grow up to be fierce with any other dogs he sees. other animal aggression is something they are born with , if they werent they wouldnt be very effective guardians would they ? so socializing them to pleasant interactions with other dogs and puppies from day one is neccesary so you can walk down the street with them or anywhere and they wont drag you down the road chasing everything they see. it wont destroy their natural predatory control instincts but will make them more manageable in public situations. a good lgd should be aloof towards other dogs and people off territtory and protective on territory.
remembering that you are the alpha in your home and you dictate the behaviors of the animals in your pack should help greatly.
what i would do if i was in your postion is start taking your dogue out and socializing him with other pups in a controlled environment like an obedience class. if you have neighbors who have adult dogs who are typically non aggressive to pups but will place them if need be i would do that also. as much on a daily basis as you can. wait another month and neuter him early, he's 3 months old now right ? then if he is doing well with the socializng then maybe when heut 6-7 months old i would consider then adding a new puppy.
many lgd's will grow up protecting what is theirs and getting along with what is already oin the house when they were brought home. if they are taughht from the baby age what is acceptable to do and not do with the other animals in the house. ie : chasing cats is not acceptable at a young age if you dont want you dog to chase and kill them when he is older. now i am talking about the animals who reside in your home or on your farm. stray animals and predators are a different story and beleive me they are smart enough to know the difference.