Bogie who's 1/2 lab & 1/2 Pit...was having a problem with her skin and coat...i had her checked for every possible thing, such has walking dandruff/chey, mites, allergies...i even changed his food...the vet assured me it was nothing more then puppy dandruff, told me to use a dog shampoo thats not medicated, and also use a conditioner, also to make sure he is getting the proper amout of omega's in his food, and suggested that i try him on Canidae Dog food....omg what a big difference in 3 days, his fur is so shiney,and no more puppy dandruff, and his eyes were a lil bloodshotin the corners, now you can see the whites of his eyes....i safed my Bogie from a pound a month ago...they were feeding him, what they feed they big dogs...unfortunitly Bogie wasn't getting all his nutrients, or supplements that a puppy requires..........i'm telling ya people this food works GR8T...it's for all life stages....also chicken soup for dogs...is good............if anyone is interested check out Canidae.Com
Meal --- I tend to stay away from it when possible...because my understanding is that "meal" only has to contain a very small portion of meat. However....I have also heard meal can have MORE meat because meal is weighed by the end product...and meat is weighed before processing...percentage wise. I don't know for sure. My dogs were on Canidae...and they did wonderfully. I can't buy it where I live now, so I switched over to Wellness, which they also are doing fine on.
Just found this...... Meat Meal - Rendered meal made from animal tissue. It cannot contain hair, hoof, blood, horn, hide trimmings, stomach or rumen (the first stomach) contents, or manure except for amounts that may not be avoided during processing. It cannot contain any added foreimay not be avoided during processing. It cannot contain any added foreign matter and may not contain more than 14% indigestible materials. Indigestible crude protein in the meal cannot be more than 11%. Meals are also use after processing and give a more ture actual weight on the list of ingredients for placement over whole meats or "wet - state" meats. http://www.doberdogs.com/foodcht2.html I'm still not sure if meal could include 4D meat or not...I would assume from reading that, that it could...and therefore would be something to steer away from.
can someone tell me what 4d meat is? i remember hearing that it is what is fed to greyhounds while they are on the track. i also heard it is the most horrible thing you could feed an animal. but i don't remember exactly what it is.
this might help people get some specific information about the food they're giving their dogs. i read a very helpful (if not shocking) book about pet food and wrote an article about it. pet food i'm an avid advocate of a healthy diet for pets and believe this is of the utmost importance as your pets diet is directly related to their health and longevity. i can't stress this enough. (phew!) thanks.
4d meat refers to meat (not just byproducts, or meal, but actual meat portions like the ribeye or loin) Mini --- are you saying that actual meat portions can be 4d meat ? I know you are O.K. with by-products, meal & such. It's a confusing subject. So many articles about flea collars, drugs, and much worse ending up in dog food. I know you have typed this before....but could you repeat your thoughts or provide link to other thread where you have please ? Dog food lables were ment to confuse us :) and it's working ! How do we know exactly what is in them ?
No no, I'm saying.. Usually when people down byproducts, they typically say '4d meat can be in byproducts, therefore you shouldn't give any foodthat has byproducts in it." And it can. But 4d meat can also be in the regular 'meat/beef/poultry/chicken' part of a dog food diet, not just the byproducts. That's what many people seem to forget/omit. Any animal that is one of the 4ds can't be used for human consumption. It is automatically 'feed grade', assuming the state it's in allows it to be used. Nor can it be used in pet foods overseas in the European union (not sure about the rest of the world) I found a document that says that the CVM restricts usage of 4d animals in pet food (the mad cow disease scare really has made the FDA crack down on a lot of unhealthy feeding practices, thank goodness). I'd give you the link but I didn't copy it and now I cant find any internet references to states that allow it for the life of me. I am wondering if this is something that I will literally have to find on a state by state basis, which would suck. What I am wondering is where the transition period between those dry dog food manufacturers using so-called human grade meat make it to the feed grade places for processing for pet food. Even places that use human quality meat are actually using feed quality. In order for it to even be processed, as soon as it goes from the human packaging plant to the one for the pet food, it automatically becomes 'feed quality'. If that doesn't make sense, let me put it like this. There is no dog food manufacturer in any slaughterhouse that ships out beef for humans. They instead take meat from that human grade slaughter house and send it to the dog food place.. as soon as it hits the dog food manufacturer house, it is no longer human quality, it's feed grade. So any dog food manufacturer that claims to use human grade meat is technically lying, it's all feed grade (though it might have been human grade at one point in time). How bout that labelling though? Ok and regarding flea collars in dog food and drugs in dog food? Flea collars I find hard to believe. I can believe they've found pesticides in dog food (just like they're found in human food occasionally) because they use pesticides to keep insects off live animals, and it's likely that those animals have left some remnants of the pesticides in their food. And drugs in dog food, well I can find that sodium pentobarbitol in dog food thingy again. When trace amounts of it were found in dog food, people automatically assumed that it came from rumors of euthanized pets being used in food, but DNA testing showed zero presence of dog/cat dna in the food, so they suspect it came from euthanized animals typically used for pet food. The amounts were so minute that it's unlikely any animal would ever be affected by them, a chihuahua would have to eat 4x the usual amount to even get above the accepted level. http://www.fda.gov/cvm/efoi/DFreport.htm As you can see by the results and the appendix, they tested again 2 years later and the dog food manufacturers had apparently done a crackdown because the amount detected had greatly decreased. Here is a link to the FDA site on interpreting pet food labels (the print is tiny though, be warned). http://www.fda.gov/cvm/index/consumer/petlabel.htm
Oh and regarding byproducts. If you see byproducts on a label, it is "Clean parts of slaughtered animals, not including meat. These parts include lungs, kidneys, brain, spleen, liver, bone, blood, partially defatted low-temperature fatty tissue, stomach, and intestines freed of their contents. It does not include hair, teeth, hooves or horns." Now if you feed a BARF diet Offal, which is a recommended feeding part.. Offal - organ meat, e.g. heart, kidney, liver, tripe (stomach), etc... I'd sure like to know why offal is good and byproducts are a no-no, since they contain the same organs?
i've also read that actual "meat" can be less meat that "meat meal" because "meat" is the weight before processing, containing more water. so, if the second ingredient is rice or corn, and "meat" is the first, you may actually be getting more rice or corn than "meat." "meat meal" may actually contain more meat, because it is weighed after processing. i don't know what to believe. but, i too don't mind byproducts any more, being that is the organ meat. and also after reading about the BARF diet, getting bones, i'm don't think dry dogfood is bad, if it's processed they way the packages say. i give flaxseed capsules for the coat, and it makes the coats so nice!