I have not been able to find any people in MN that show their yorkies. I only went to one show here last year and there were no yorkies even entered. I asked why and someone said that it wasn't worth coming to MN to enter because there is never enough dogs entered to make it worth it to come here. Is dogs points in a show like horses?
If you get a first and you are the only dog = no points?
If you get a first and there are 3 dogs entered do you get points, but not many as there are not many entries?
Approx. how much does it cost " in general " to show per month and how many shows does that include?
Do you have to show about every weekend to earn enough points to get a title?
How much does a handler cost and does your dog stay at their house and they groom them and train them, or the owner does that and the handler just shows them?
I'm trying to get a idea of what all is involved and the cost. Showing my horse was VERY costly and took every weekend and all my time. I'm thinking it was around $1,500 per month. board , training, hauling, vet , farrier, show entires, sometimes hotels. If you made it to the world or nationals ( I never did) 1 show alone could cost $3000. ( you were at the show for a week, outstate) Some of the best times of my life but can't afford it now.
Handler fees vary. It adverges 50-100 bucks a show, the bord is based off of breed and grooming. 5-20 bucks a day dependent on breed is adverge.
You have ringside handlers, you have handlers that travel with your dog, you have people that just groom dogs (in breed like poodle where the cut is so much *sad that*) It is all your choice.
A site like infodog.com is great for finding shows. It is also useful to get the akc gazzet witht he schedule for the first year or so to help find shows close to you.
Points work like, this 15 points = a title.
2 of those points must be Majors (majors are when you win 3, 4, or 5 points in one show) How many points is based off of the point schedule, it tells you how many dogs you must beat. The points must also be given by at least two diffrent judges, and the majors must be given by at least two diffrent judges.
The Winners Dog and Winners bitch each receive points. Best of Winners receives the total that is higher (in dogs or bitches) and best of breed receives an even higher total. But you dont have to take BOW or BOB to gain a CH title.
For me, because of where I live, there are shows all over creation and that makes it cheaper. Hardly a weekend goes by when there's not a show within a 4 hour drive of here, and most shows in the atlanta metropolitan area (which is a LOT of shows) are less than 2 hours away. In Perry, GA, twice a year, there are so many shows and specialty shows, there's almost always majors for about 90% of the breeds I"d gestimate. Seriously. There's also a ton of dog shows in the florida panhandle, Pensacola, Panama City, Tallahassee, etc... again, about 4 hours away.
For me, someone who is interested in showing a dog myself, as an owner/handler, it'd be far cheaper for me to show. I could concievably pick up points handling myself.. and then when there were just majors required, hire a handler to show my dog (who I would transport to shows, not giving him/her to a handler to campaign) in specific shows that were most likely to be majors.
For shows that are about within a 2 hour drive, I'm perfectly willing to pack up, drive up there and drive back the same day. Including gas, entry fees, and food the day of the show, I'd spend about $40 or $50, even if my husband went with me. Any further than 2 hours, we stay at hotels for about $75 to $100 for my husband and I, and the dog's pet deposit, if required.
Same here, Min. If I could afford it, I would be able to show every weekend and not have to trek that far.
Yes... the biggest price for the sport of dogs isn't monetary. It's spiritual. The first time you take a dog into a show ring... you sell your soul, basically. Before I got Allie, I used to think that she would be finished by now. HA! She doesn't have a single point and isn't show quality temperament-wise. So now I'm gonna get into a really competitive breed and see if that shapes me up some more. So much for dreaming; I'm facing the dead-truth reality!
If you're staying in a hotel or motel (I usually always stay at a Motel 6 or Best Western), it can be about 40-50 dollars a night. So... if you want to drive down the day of the show, then you have to leave VERY early, but it saves you a night of hotel money. Entry fees here are from 20-25 a day, and junior showmanship is usually free with an additional entry (the 20-25 dollars for breed). If it isn't free, I don't go to the show!
Then you have your vendors. Ther can be a row or a whole complex-full of them. Bring money to spend!
Grooming. My grooming supplies for my Chi and Beagle are face comb, bristle brush, slicker brush, scissors, nail clippers, antibiotic (if the nails bleed, I don't use syptic powder), nail grinder, q-tips, and tweezers. I have a small grooming table, but that never goes with me. I know I'll need SOOOO much more for a standard poodle!
Bait. No, we ain't fishin'. Bait as in dog treats! I always buy bait at the show, so it's fresh and smelly. XD Some kinds I put in a bait pouch, others I just stick in my mouth (welcome to the disgusting world of dog shows!).
Packing. You need more than you think. I pack a maximum of 3 or bags (and a small cooler) for myself and my dog- one for clothes to leave at the hotel, one for the dog, and one for snacks and water. You also need your dog's crate, etc.
If you would like a list of what I pack for a show, feel free to ask and I can e-mail you it!
***Edited By: Allie on 4/20/2005 4:34:00 PM*** Reason: Addition (AGAIN!)
jeanief, for some reason I thought you already showed. We have people in our poodle club that used to be serious into horse showing including Nationals, and they say the dog show world is not quite as bad or corrupted by drug use on the animals. If you can show horses, you can show dogs. It's having the right dog. Here is a link for AKC's begginers guide to showing: http://www.akc.org/events/conformation/beginners.cfm Lots of great info. You can also find the point schedule for you breed on AKC to see what it takes for 1-2-3-4 or 5 points. 3-4 & 5 being majors. I'm surprised their are not many Yorkies in an area. They seem to be a pretty popular show breed. On your original question on cost. Sometimes it can be cheaper to have a handler finish a dog, and that depends on the dog. We have spent $2500 on a bitch that only earned 2 points (her first time out). She quit eating well for the handler and went down hill. (unbeknownst to us) She was bred to the #1 red toy in the US that he was specialing at the time before she came back. She came back thin and fat at the same time. She had no meat and had lost a lot of muscle tone, but she was quite large from being pregnant. Our handler for our Ch. Sammy finished him in two months after he got him (his attitude) and his coat in show condition. That only ran us about $1500. But we had showed him ourselves and had a friend show him also for about 8 months prior. So figure the cost in to that. The next toy we hope to get is a red male from a breeder in Florida. She will keep him until about 4 months and then send him to a handler. We will get him after he's finished (hopefully!) We've never bought one that way before, so hope all goes well. Sorry so long! Best of luck in your new career!
I'm glad you asked these questions because I'm getting a new Golden Retriever in spring of 2006. A show quality male. I'm going to show him in Conformation but I've never actually showed a dog before I've only watched it.
He has great Champion bloodlines and both of his parents are beautiful. His mom is 2-years-old and her name is Misty, she has good conformation but doesn't have the right attitude to become a Champion but the breeder said she has won some very nice ribbons from local shows. His dad will be 1-year-old on April 28th, he has great conformtion too but he is starting his show career sometime this year so I don't think he has won anything yet since I'm not even sure if he has shown yet(I don't think he has).
I'm trying to figure out the whole showing thing now, so I'm not confused later. I have plenty of time, his parents won't be bred until November/December, he'll be born January/February, and he'll come home with me March/April. I plan on going to the show coming up October 14, 15, 16, & 17 here in Boise, Idaho...so hopefully there will be Golden Retrievers there and I'll try to talk to the owners/handlers. Then I'm going to join my local kennel club (Idaho Capital City Kennel Club) and take show handling classes.
Wow! This is way too long! Anyway, good luck to you (and me)!
***Edited By: lovekelsey on 4/20/2005 5:32:05 PM*** Reason: add
Silly Cricket!! Thanks guys for the info and links. I am going to try to find some shows in my area, and try to find some yorkie people. I would love to take a class on showing / handling dogs. I have never heard of that. Just starting to check into the whole " show thing". take care.
I have a doberman that has been showing and she has placed either 1st or 2nd in her class up till now. She just turned 12 months last week and is now in the 12 to 18 month class. The other dogs competing in that class in my area are 4 months older than her and their bodies are much more developed than hers. I am giving her a 3 month rest so her development can catch up and she can be competative again.
As for cost Entries have been between 25 & 30 for each day Handling fees have been 62.50 per day Board when with the handler is 10.00 a day
Add in Gas and Hotel cost when you go the the shows
You can't expect to be getting points right out of the box, the dog needs ring experience to be competative. UP til now I have a lot of expensive blue ribbons.
The biggest cost is the dissapointment when you know you have the best dog in the class according to the AKC standards and some handler who has a name and the worst dog in the class takes it.
If you showed horses you know it is the same politics.