tosamom I have gone back and read many of your posts. you sound exactly like me when i first got my first dog. and did not know much about training. this is exactly how i got a passion for training. it is a wonderful thing. lots of bs out there. only do what makes sense. if it sounds crazy, it porbably is. there is no right way, but there are millions of wrong ways. don't do anything you are not okay with ethicaly. i started by reading books and surfing the net. good stuff out there. but eventually i had to learn hands on and try and get a mentor. it doesn't have to be mr. miagi. just a trainer you respect and are okay with his techniques. and they have some proof. like seeing dogs they have trained. see some finished product before you start with them. if thier dogs look unhappy working, they are. the dogs should look like a dog getting ready to go the dog park or go for a walk. happy. the dogs should listen and look for confusion if the dog lays down when told to sit. it's confused. demand to be impressed. but i would reccomend finding a trainer. obedince clubs that practise with out hurting dog. or working them till there exhausted mentally. trainingon a dogs mind is mentaly taxing but good for them if done in moderation.
gunny, THANK YOU! thank you for taking the time and writing and rereading some of what i wrote to address my concerns... so mr. miagi isn't available, darn it!!! (smile) what was your first dog? was there a book that actually trained your way? i ask a lot of people ,when i see their dogs walking with them, who trained them; but here,many people use elec. collars with a remote control. some are ok with that, but i am not. i want my dog to listen to my voice! true that comes with respect ant time, i just want the groundwork to be correct and to learn to not ask for too much too soon......
gunny- you are very smart. are you a professional trainer? are there milestones that dogs should be at, at a certain age? for example... your dog should be able to ----- by the age of ------..
Sorry, I have nothing to add about your training, as I said, because I am probably the least knowledgable..hah. I read through Scout and gunny's posts, though, tons of great info! so thanks to them..
I did want to answer your questions, though..
Dook's head comes just above my knee and I'm 5'6. haha, he's too insane right now to try and measure, he goes crazy for about an hour when I come home from work in the morning..I named him that because, I don't know if this is 'global' slang or not, so I'll explain..we use dookie as a slang for poop, basically, because we're immature and silly for 25 year olds. .. and he poo'd all over my truck and friend on the drive home from the shelter. So I called him a Dookie Bootie. And it kinda stuck. but I wanted something respectful, so went with Dook. hah.
Dokker will be coming home in THREE DAYS! He's a Schipperke, and should be 11-13 inches, I believe, and 12-18 pounds! So he's a lil tyke! Few more days and we'll all be together! Dokker, just because his cute little face made me think of it, and it goes well with Dook.
OK! Back to training ... Hope everything is going well today :)
LMAO # how Dook got his name! How cute and I love when a dog's name has a story behind it. My Cookie got her name as my sister (Tosamom) and I were sitting @ her kitchen table looking at a picture of my soon to be dog and I was eating Min Cookies and Cream ice cream ( by the way, it was delicious!!!) and my sister said, "Your dog looks like your ice cream" and Tah-Dah! It was decided, Cookie!! She isn't a Co-Co or Carrie like I was thinking of anyway. She's one smart Cookie. She found a way to wiggle through the baby gate so I nicknamed her Houdini!
gunny.....i have never read the monks of new sketes books but i have heard great things about them. i have heard that they have taken back what they have previously written about doing alpha rolls on dogs. what are your feelings on that ?
scout i think the alpha roll over is a great tool, but a harsh one. overused for every training infraction, this manuever is very humiliting to a dog. it is like getting put in the corner to us. dominat dogs will fight this and maybe become aggressive. average pet owner responds by realising saying the manuever does not work. no, it wirks they gave up before the dog submitted. dog got aggressive. dog now knows aggression is effective in getting humans to back up. i do not use the alpha rollover very much only for aggression. this way dogs finds out fast aggession does not work, i am not afaid of him, and he should respect me. now this can be a very destructive thing. not used judiciously. moose and gunny it it effective, shayna would crumble. also, i want my dogs to like me. i am trying to stay away from training that aversive. It all depends on you. I started with the monks, my first books on training 5 years ago, i think the monks are outdated and better techniques are here. the monks are like the beetiles of dog training. mystical, super famous, but unfortunatly new talent has bloomed. Ceasar millan is probably the most advanced dog trainer right now. I no he says he doesn't train. but training and behavior mod stem drom the same root. Communication-how can i get the dog to understand what i want? that is the question. jean donaldson-is also great-ivan balblov- very refreashing. the monks were writing books for the average joe. i don't think the intended audience was a person who sought higher levels of training. they have a great philosphy and there work shows up in all the trainers of now. good place to start with a new pup.
i have mixed feelings on the use of the alpha rollover. i am ashamed to say i have used it often on thunder when he was younger. unfortunatley at the time it was still a popular theory and was still being suggested. one particular instance with him and i realized it was not what i wanted or how i wanted to train any dog. i think in a lot of cases there are subtle nuances that we as humans dont see in the interactions between dogs and using the rollover can put a dog more on defense and cause them to attack out of the pure fight or flight instinct. and in a lot of breeds who were bred to fight aggresion with counter aggression, i think a lot of people can get seriously hurt. especially if they attempt this with a dog who has already reached a level of comfort in biting people.
Don't mean to interrupt, but I have to ask: what is the alpha roll? It sounds like a domination move, alpha male making his role known to the dog. But what does it consist of? Sorry, just curious. I'm having a hard time imagining this move.
Coach peed in the car today. i took him for a walk before we got in the car. then i took him out at the first turn once we were driving, cause i heard him whine like he needed to pee. we walked, he didnt pee. back in the car, and finally at our destination, i took him out, and he peed.
well, what could i do? just cleaned it up.
walking is getting better. some days are awesome, others, like today, he challenged me the whole way....
hey anyone- what is your alternative to the alpha roll? Ceasar Millan does it on his show, so how can it be wrong? (can u tell i like the dog whisperer :-))
cecile -basically an alpha roll is when you flip a dog on its back, grab it by the scruff and give a hard stare in its eyes and not letting up until the dog has submitted to you. it is a very controversial maneuver in the dog world nowadays. there are times i guess when it should and could be used but i think alot of people do not know when those situations are and could severley damage their dogs mentally and actually increase bad behavior instead of curing it.
i myself tend towrds the more benevolent leader rule of thinb when exerting my position as an alpha. i try to take what i have learned from my pyrenees when she was around and use it. she was without a doubt the alpha in this household. never once did she resort to acts of physical violence to anyone. there was just something about her that commanded respect and it is hard to explain andmuch harer to model after.
tosamom here is a good reference that will help you on your way in a more passive aggressive alpha role..
I know how a pet changes your lifestyle. First of all, I got a kitten a few months ago and right now he's four months old. But when I got him- as soon as opened his SPCA box in my sisters bedroom (because it seemed safer than my room in there) he jumped out and ran through the house, climbing on everything he saw! It was cute for such a teeny tiny little kitty, but it was hard! I had to take school days off to watch him because he was too adventurous! he even fell through the ceiling one time! one time he ended up on the roof! Now that he knows my house he doesnt do that stuff anymore. It twisted up my life at the beginning, but now that he's a lil smarter its better. what im saying is when your pup is older your life wont be as complicated.
tosamom - a little flaxseed oil in puppies food each day should help with dandruff. also not so many baths. once a week can be very drying on their skin. they sell baby wipes in petstores for spot cleaning a dog. that may be a good alternative to frequent baths.