how did they do it? i have ckc registerd beautiful miniature schnauzers and i can't get them akc registered and would love to know how I can get them akcregistered so if you or anyone else can help me in getting them akc registerd would love to know how. thanks
***Edited By: schnauzermom on 4/30/2005 10:27:06 AM*** Reason: forgot to take caps lock off
some one should e-mail AKC with the link to that page so the know that they have a mix that AKC paper.The small pic make him look like a puppy but if you click on it you get a bigger pic and he looks like a older dog...
***Edited By: pharlane on 4/30/2005 10:53:12 AM*** Reason: added
I kind of want to know if they meant that the parent that is boxer is the one AKC registered, or if they actually registered the puppy as an AKC boxer. AKC should be contacted if that is the case, but I see a lot of ads here in my state where the *breeder* (rolls eyes) will have say, a litter of Rottie/Doberman mixes, and they say in the ad that 'the mom is an AKC registered Rottie, and the dad is an AKC registered Doberman'. I don't know why they say that, as it is a mixed at this point and doesn't matter, but I think they do it because then people know that if they buy one of those puppies, that they really only have Rottie and Doberman in them. They say AKC, meaning the parents. Because maybe the buyer is looking for that particular mix, and doesn't want any other breed in there. Either way...arg. Nevermind, lol.
***Edited By: Huntersmom on 4/30/2005 11:13:29 AM*** Reason: added
It's possible- if daddy hasn't been bred much, sure- they could've forged the paperwork to claim that a different father (a boxer) sired the litter. The AKC is JUST a registry- they record what people tell them to.
But "AKC Boxer papers" don't really tell much, right? What kind of papers? She didn't come out and claim that the dog is AKC registered.
And here comes the Basset_Lover, with yet another angle on the situation...
I emailed this person, that has the "AKC Boxer papers" on her mixed breed dog to find out what I could. Nosey me. :P
I did ask if the dog had been checked for hips, elbows and eyes, but she makes no mention of any testing in her email. I also specifically asked if the dog had ANY health testing done. Again, she blew off the question.
Here is her reply, talk about a run around, I am glad that you reported her. This is definately a backyard breeder and a schlocky one at that...
"BIG BEAUTIFUL BOY FOR STUD
i bought him from a lady who raises boxers and he has his akc papers because her dogs are akc registered.
the vet told me when he was younger and i went to clip his ears that somewhere down the line someone bred in a french mastiff for him to come out looking the way he does. that is how it happened. the dogs she has are akc boxers and she has papers on her litters. somehow in his lineage someone did a mix to produce larger dogs, doesn't mean it was her or she may not have even been aware of it, but i have brud and i love him and that is what he is.
i have akc boxer papers on him because that is what his immediate parents were. if you can't figure out how that works sometimes then i don't know what else to answer you.
i am not claiming or saying anything but what i have."
She knows the dog isn't a purebred and still she studs him out, as an AKC registered Boxer? Unethical? Yes. In it for the money? Yes. In it for the betterment of the breed and/or breeds? No. Stinks of backyard breeder? Yes.
what she replied to you is not far fetched. i could see how someone may have used a dogue far back in the lines and this pup got the genetic roll of the dice played out on it. certainly doesnt excuse her ridiculous excuses for advertising that it has purebred boxer papers on it and still breeding it knowing it is not a pure bred boxer.
well this is an interesting post . another case of someone who's elevator doesnt go all the way to the top. i wood put dat der ad in da ppapr an sel dat der dog as akc reguster an maks me a tad bit of muny an i coud bye me a ole truck to put in my frunt yard an a sixe pac o budwiser beer an o ya a can o chaw an wate fer sum brite city folk to cum an pay me a lurge wadd o muney fer dat der purbred doge !
Wow! Basset, good for you for finding out. I was confused because I couldn't tell if she meant the parents were registered, or if she had actually registered the puppy. That's crazy. How sad. Even sadder that this sort of thing probably happens more than people think :(
OK I could get yelled at for this and person really shouldn't be breeding, but:
First off I looked at the picture and it looks like a boxer. It might have a little larger face then most, but can you really say that it is not a boxer with a large face.
Second it was her vet that said that somewhere in the blood line it must have been breed with a French Mastiff. Well I am sorry, but vets don't always know what they are talking about. My brother in law has a dog that is graet dane and boxer and the vet telled him that the dog had akita in it also. There is no akita in this dog.
Plus if the dog is a mix how can the vet besure it was a French Mastiff and not a pit bull or some other type of dog.
I only see a boxer with a longer muzzle then most, but that doesn't mean it isn't a boxer. It just shows that the dog should not be bred since it is not breed standard and she definatly should be advertising the dog as being a mix. Since it sounds like she doesn't even know if it really is a mix or not.
Just my opion.
It was good of every one to report her though. Maybe AKC will keep her from breeder or regirsting any of its puppies. For no other reason then the fact that she does advertise it as a mix and it is definatly not breed standard.
langniappe - that dog looks very much like a dogue de bordeaux in the face. click on the dog breeds link to the left of the screen and look at the pic of one. resembles it very much. i dont see boxer anywhere in the face. true, a lot of vets are not very good at identifying breeds, but there is no mistaking what that dog looks like. as low as this "breeder" is, if she got him from someone with full boxer papers, and was told by her vet it was a mix i am sure anyone would check that out and not just go on the word of their vet.
Here's a question sort of along the same lines. I've heard of getting mix breeds who look a lot like the pure breds some kind of akc recognition so that they can compete in obedience training, agility, etc. Is this true? What is the phrase I'm looking for? I can't think of it right now. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this?
To me this dog looks more like a pitt bull than a boxer, but that's just my opinion. Obviously a mix. I'm glad someone reported her. I would hate for some poor person to be misled and end up paying a wad of cash thinking they're getting a purebred dog. I've found people just don't know their breds very well and unfortuantly that puts people like this lady at an advantage. I hope she stops what she's doing.
gingerspice you can get a purebred and ILP number which would allow it to participate in AKC events like obedience and agility but unless the dog looks exactly like a purebred i dont know how you could do it with a mix breed.