Ok I need some suggestions and not to be rude but I dont need a lecture on how bad am for feeding my dogs a cheaper food. I live on a limited budget and I mean limited, I have 2 kids and the only way I can afford a house is a roommate and boyfriend. You guys have seen pics of all my animals and I foster animals all the time. I would like a good but cheaper food for my dogs, I can go through a 50lb bag in a month. They sometimes get boiled chicken and even vegies, Star loves chicken and I will sometimes go to the meat counter and buy her whatever is on sale. I will usually put that in her dry food. Plus I need something my Bear will eat he is little and the puppy food I have for him now, he will eat but not alot, I usually have to add wet food to it and smash it a little its a little big bute size for him.
Oh and if anyone has any peanut butter treats that are good for dogs please let me know, thats the only treat Star likes, if it doesnt have peanut butter in it she wont eat it.
***Edited By: starlight_2901 on 5/5/2005 10:09:23 PM*** Reason: added
What are you feeding now? I tell you, I got hooked on feeding my dogs a walmart brand of food called 'Maxximum Nutrition'. It does have corn in it, but as far as foods go it's medium grade. A 20 lb bag costs about $12 without tax, and 40 lb bag costs bout $21 or so. My dogs really liked it. It made their coats and skin look good, and they had nice solid poops. It's got better ingredients than Iams or Science diet but with the corn in it it's not really a 'high quality' food, more a 'medium grade food'.
If you can afford a little more, Chicken Soup for the Dog Lovers soul is the most affordable high quality food out there, at least that I've found. It costs $28 without tax for a 35 lb bag.
I dont have all the answers mind you...but Ill tell you if your only going through 50 pounds a month..that isnt too bad...I must go through 100 pounds per week..and I got a 20 pound bag of milk bone biscuits and we give raw hides as well..I say..do your home work..some foods might seem like they cost more but they eat less and there for it is cheaper..also...find cheaper places to buy food at..try feed store and not pet shops to buy food at..and if you are doing rescue work..contact your local humane society and ask them if they have any food that you can have..they get donations and when I was with the fledgling human society in my area we had truck loads brought in...we gave it to people who were on hard times and it also fed the fosters we had. I wish you luck...and im sorry that you feel that a question like this would get you pounced on...That certainly isnt my intent any way...Do the best you can with what you have..but spend your dollar as wisely as you can to make it stretch...Good Luck to you...
If you can tell us what you feed now, we can try to estimate prices for some other foods for you. (That are within your price range)
I was paying more for Iams than I am for nutro, and she had to eats 4 cups of Iams for the nutrients in two cups in nutro.
I like the gooberlicious peanut butter treats from bill jac. They are a little soft so you can break them into 2 or 4 pieces if you want. They are shaped like peanuts, and in breaking them into 2, it takes forever to go through them. I get mine from Petsmart. It was like 4.75 canadian for a bag that has lasted me a month and a half so far. Just be sure to use the ziploc on the bag and seal it shut after you open them.
Right now they are on Kibbles n Bits I know not a good food but they were on ol roy and I really would like to feed them better but still be abl to feed my kids...lol I was thinking of the chicken soup thing for the dog lovers soul or whatever, but I know of one feed store in this city, LOL Las Vegas isnt exactly into feed stores.
And what about my cats is there better foods for them, I have them on Meow mix indoor cat food and hair ball control.
I fed Diamond for about 5 years, it is a good middle of the road food, but they are high energy dogs that need more fat in thier diet. A good friend turned me on to Purina Healthy Morsels puppy food (even for the adults). It is tasty, they like to eat it, and they have less problems keeping weight on than with the more expensive brands (good for MY dogs). Not meaning to sound like a comercial, but Purina is also putting a $1.00 off coupon in each bag right now, so that's another doller less you pay. 37.5 lb bags at walmart are between $15.50-16.50 depending on the week. Regular dog chow doesn't taste as good (they let me have it), but it is less still, you can get a 55lb bag for between $13.50-$15.25. Just as a 'disclaimer', I do say that I need to suppliment my dog that are of breeding age. Good luck!
Petsmart has started a discount program. At least in my flyer this week with the card (you can sign up inside petsmart) I could get discounts on large bags of about 6 types of food. That might help a bit too.
As far as bang for the buck- Natural Balance is still one of the better deals around. You feed less of it (about half as much) as you would feed other foods- and it isn't really an expensive food to begin with. Petco runs specials on it all the time- and if you use their frequent purchase card, you get a free 11th bag.
Petsmart's Harvest Baked Authority line isn't awful- they also carry Blue Buffalo in some of their stores.
Innova and Wellness tend to be pricier foods- and if you're feeding THAT much, I can understand why you'd want to stick to lower priced brands.
Cats, btw- do MUCH better on a wet diet. Canned foods are much, much, MUCH healthier for them- dry foods can lead to all sorts of problems. But for dry foods- you should look into Natural Balance or Chicken Soup's kitty formulas. DO try to supplement with wet, however- a cat is truly and unarguably a carnivore- and does NOT need the fillers in dry foods.
longdogs4me, according to my animal biochemistry and nutrition class, cats do worse on wet diets by far, than on dry ones. Wet and moist morsel cat foods for some reason really put a strain on the kidneys, and greatly increase the risk of your cat getting UTIs especially in neutered male cats.
The petstore that I go to, told me that Prism for cats isnt actually that bad. I used to have them on Purina Overweight management. I tried holistic feed, which I am an advocate for on this forum , but they turn their noses on it...They went 4 days with the food bowl filled with Evolve Cat Maintanence without touching it. I gave in and let them eat junk....But for cats try Prism.
I dont know how much you feed your cat(s) But here is a website with the ingedients:
As for dog food, I would do some research, on the ingredients of various foods and pick the less frightening out of the bunch..... http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept_child.asp?dept%5Fid=93 This website has all the ingredients listed under the brand.... There was another thread where someone posted a link about dog food classification, what to look for and what not to. I would read that, then go to the website and look at all the ingredients, choosing the better one for a cheapre price.
I don't know if you live near a Farm and Fleet, also known as Fleet Farm in Wisconsin but their brand of dog food is comparable to Science Diet and it is very inexpensive. I have a friend who buys that and the teacher of my obedience class is the one who recommended it. I feed Pro Plan which is probably more than you want to spend but you feed less amount per serving than some inexpensive brands so I think it comes out to the same amount in the long run. I also like it because it makes their waste very small and hard and easy to pick up.
Minn- I really don't believe that's true. I don't have cats, and haven't done nearly as much research into cat nutrition as I have into dog nutrition- but one thing that resounds in the literature I've passed through is that carnivores in the wild have a much higher water content in their meals.
Many things contribute to UTIs- but an important fact is that even a mild dehydration can spin one off.
Vets (and you know how much I value the average vet's nutritional advice) still tend to sell dry foods for our pets because they have the mistaken belief that a dry kibble cleans teeth- which, combined with the convenience factor of dry food- has created a stubborn popularity for it.
While I have my doubts about the maxshouse.com site (a site that says wet food is better to promote it's own products is biased to me. It's like a BARF dog food diet proponent saying all dry dog food is bad, and it's not) definitely some of the information makes sense. Even the sites listed however did say that dry food is better for cats with no urinary stones.
Regarding wet vs dry food for dogs? From my own personal experience, you will never be able to convince me that wet food doesn't contribute to dog tartar build up, I've seen it happen too many times personally to change my opinion. You're entitled to what you think is true, I'm entitled to what I think is true too. Dogs I've owned, or friends have owned, fed dry food the first few years of their lives have had zero problems with tartar build up on their teeth. Then they were swapped to wet food, or went to a diet of half dry and half wet food. Suddenly these dogs had tartar build up like crazy when they'd never had tartar on their teeth before. And the bad breath and gas... Ugh. Then when the wet food was removed and they went back to dry, the insane levels of tartar buildup suddenly stopped and it wasn't an issue anymore. As stated, this is my personal experience with wet vs dry dog food, thus I draw my own conclusions from that.
I've done very little research into feline nutrition- it just doesn't interest me in the same way that canine nutrition does. But I do know that for cats (not big drinkers), water is a requirement that is NOT being met by dry foods. I have NO information on what constitutes a healthy cat food other than their taurine requirements and high need for meat- but my knowledge of petfood marketing concedes that that the majority of wet foods on the shelves are at least as bad as the dry foods. My personal opinion is that cats would do even better on a properly prepared raw diet- and if I had a cat, that's likely what I'd do if my research backed it up.
But logic stands- do your teeth feel clean after eating a cookie, cracker, hard bread? Of course not. Saliva does a much better job of breaking down the remnants of moist foods- and dogs do an even better job of it.
Personally, though- dry or wet is just not a huge issue in regards to teeth maintenance. After all- if a dog builds up tartar, someone isn't taking care of their dog's teeth. I'm not about to blame a food for that.
And hey- believe what you want to. At least you're not feeding that Wal-mart crap any longer. ;)
Ive heard from people on other forums that Kirkland brand sold at Costco was pretty good. BTW Kirkland is made by Diamond. The info on the following site is pretty long, but a good read. Scroll down to find the list of dog food and thier ingredients.
Thank you all for the advice and help. And thanks AnAsAzi for leting me know qwhere to get Chicken Soup, I think I'm going to look into that one as well as a couple others and see what I can afford to get them.
Oh and I taught Bear how to sit, YAY, thats the first thing he has learned, used kitty treats to teach him, he doesnt like dog treats....lol
***Edited By: starlight_2901 on 5/6/2005 3:46:50 PM*** Reason: added