Well house training for Baron is going VERY slowly. I take him out as often as I can, but more often than not, he doesn't do a thing outside.
I've spent up to two hours outside waiting for him to do anything, #1 or #2, and he'll just walk around or try to lay down.
Today, I saw him squat and actually start doing #2 but then he changed his mind, and stopped and I spent another 45 minutes outside waiting for him to start again and nothing.
He also doesn't seem to have much of a problem pooping or peeing in his crate.
I've had other dogs and NONE of them ever made a mess in their crate.
I know it's not a matter of whether or not he can hold it, cause hell, he's gone hours outside without doing anything. He also doesn't warn me when he needs to go like most puppies do, though he will complain after the fact since he doesn't actually like BEING in the mess he made.
I'm sleep deprived and getting frustrated with every passing hour we spend outside and at this point, I'm willing to try ANYTHING.
He's already on a regular diet, and doesn't get food after 7pm. He's a breeder dog, so it's not like he got used to making a mess in a cage at a pet store.
I've owned quite a few dogs before, but I just can't figure this little guy out. I love the little bastard, but I'm going mad just trying to get him to even GO outside so I can praise him. So far, all he's heard is "NO!" when he starts to go since he seems to always be doing it in the wrong place (inside).
You poor thing. You must be exhausted!! How old is the little fellow? I've read that the best way to do it is to take them out at the same time every day. Run the same routine every day. Feed at the same time, sleep at the same time, play at the same time, etc. I've also heard that if the pup doesn't go within 15 minutes, take him back inside put back in crate and wait another 15 minutes then try again. By staying out so long I think you're encouraging him to dilly daddle. When you take him out say "go potty" over and over and as soon as he starts praise him enthusiastically! Then follow up inside with a few minutes of fun play so he knows hey if I go right away I get to play for a few minutes, but if I don't then I go back in that crate. If he's young say like 3 months I've read they can only go about 3 hours in the crate without needing to go out. If he's pottying in the crate he may be staying in there too long. Puppies usually need to pee after playing, eating, drinking. Try getting on the schedule so you can anticipate when he might need to go out instead of trying to wait for him to let you know. Puppies are like kids...if they're in the middle of playing they don't stop and think hey gotta go, they just go mid-play. If you do catch him mid pee or poop say, "no", pick him up and take him directly outside. Then lots of praise when he finishes his business outside. It may take time! The schedule thing has always worked for me. Even my adult dog, now she knows and wakes me up at the same time every day. Anyway, I hope this helps. I know it can be a tough process, but hang in there! He'll get the idea!
Well as far as going inside, he's been fine going on the wee pad from day one for #1. I guess whatever they treat the pad with does make him want to go when he sniffs it, but #2, has been been hit or miss.
I got advice on the boards to just skip the pad entirely, so within the last couple of days, we've just been going outside.
Now when I catch him going inside, I yell no and clap, which stops him in his tracks. When I approach him however, I do think he gets scared and usually tries to run off. So I usually pick him up, flush the mess he made, and then take him outside.
He doesn't usually finish outside though, we just end up walking for an hour or so with no results so I bring him back in.
He has gone outside before, and I do priase him when he does, but it's not really helping so far... not to mention it's a rarity.
I don't hit him or anything, if that's what you may be getting at, and I don't rub his nose in it or anything like that. I do move quickly though... which may startle him, just because I want him to stop.
Thanks for the advice gingerspice, I am trying to be more regular about setting times for him. Unfortunately, I live in an apt so I'm on the 5th floor. Going out every 15 minutes would be pretty difficult... but I'm willing to try it, if that'll give me results.
count- one thing i have been told that has helped, is to take the #2 outside, always put it in the same spot. when you take him outside after he eats, keep him on the leash and stand there, or walk back and forth, but stay in the area. they usually go immed after eating, so hopefully he will get used to the scent, and know where he has to go #2. if what you do immediately ,when you see him go poop inside, is take it away and flush it, then take him outside, he has already forgotten about it. i would definietly take it with me outside. sounds gross, but works. an apt is tough. i was thinking about that recently since i am also housebreaking my puppy. i wish you the best.
I have also read that it's important not to stay out a long time. You are out there to do business but he is not on that wavelength. He's just enjoying the outdoors. I feel your pain being on the 5th floor of an apartment building, but he's learned that if he doesn't go in 10 minutes or so it doesn't matter. He knows that he'll get up to 2 hours enjoyment outdoors if he doesn't go. Is the crate too big for him? Usually dogs won't go potty in their sleeping space. If he can go in one area of the crate but still has a clean area to sleep in, that may be the problem. Dogs can sense your frustration, anger and upset feelings and when they do it hampers their learning ability. It may be time to call in the professionals with this one! Good luck hon!
We actually made some progress (I hope) today. He went #2 twice outside today, but I caught him squating to pee once and took him out for about 15-20 mins and he didn't start back up, a little while after we came inside he found his wee pad and went on that.
I don't know what they treat the pad with, but it seems to make him feel comfortable to go there without being coaxed.
I'm really hoping he's starting to get the idea, but I'm not sure, I may have just gotten lucky.
Thanks for the help, it at least helps to vent to someone!
Exactly my thought Merico. I've heard that its hard to make the transistion from the pee pad to outside too. I've also read that the less emotion you show when you correct him the better. I think the calmer and more matter of fact you are about it the better. Tosa is right though if you're waiting until after you flush to take him out he's already forgotton about it. The only bad thing is you're on the 5th floor so he's actually probably already forgotten by the time you get downstairs. Taking the pee pad may be just the key. I wish I had more advice for you. Is there a professional trainer in your area who might be able to give you some advice? I do wish you luck. Sounds like a tough situation. All my best to you!
The thing is that he isn't really even wee pad trained. From day one, he went on the pad to pee naturally, I'm guessing because of whatever the lace the pad with.
#2, he's never really done on the pad unless it was by accident, so there isn't much of a "habit" to break regarding the pad except for the fact that he seems to enjoy peeing on it.
I'm willing to take the pad outside to get him to pee, but I don't think he's really all that attached to it to begin with. Maybe I'll try that tomorrow afternoon and see if it makes a difference though!
I just wanted to thank you guys for the advice, Baron is doing MUCH better as far as going to the bathroom outside thing goes.
I think the staying out for no more than 15 minutes along with the scheduled diet worked wonders. Now (as long as he's not distracted by people) we're usually outside no more than 10-15 minutes before he does his business and we head in.
He's also having far less accidents in his crate and I was actually able to replace his bedding in there and he doesn't pee or poop on it.