I would never cross breed.I have had some people call me about there bitch in heat and ask if I have studs here I say yes them I ask is it a Australian Shepherd they say no it's a Border Collie I say sorry but I will not breed my studs to anything but a Australian Shepherds. They get mad but oh well they wil get over it......
I'm not defending it, and I would hope that people who DO cross breed truely do it for the right reasons-- which would be because they want to combine and compliment the traits of two different but similar breeds.
Might I also say that many breeds that we now consider standard 'old' breeds have only been CREATED for several hundered years by people crossbreeding!!!!!! So no one should get too high and mighty.
Furthermore, I feel that inbreeding and linebreeding (perfectly accepted practices in AKC) are pretty sick and wrong most of the time, and many of the offspring in those litters are also of questionable quality, but if it is done for the right reasons by careful people-- it's their business.
In theory I do not have a problem with crossbreeding dogs. Its the end result of the procreation that troubles and disturbs me. What happens to the unadopted canines?? Who is in the market for these pups? What is the motivation...(would argue that most people would solely be in it for cash, and cash only)?? What is the ultimate goal?
Crossbreeding can bring out both the best and worst attributes of the purebreeds involved. Plus genetic variation with the given breeds can never be determined with certainty, regarding what the "finished product" will be. Breeding for Looks?? Size?? Temperment?? Color?? Working Intelligence?? Potential Ability?? Increases in something? A decrease in something else? Takes much more than one litter to achieve the ends so to speak, not something to just conjure up on a lazy Saturday morning.
crossbreeding should be done with a motive other than those realted to monetary gains
Crossbreedin shud be done with purpose n necessity a classy example bein The Bullmastiff the cross was done with a necissity another excellent example is the Doberman
but wot purposes are the dogs shown in the sites serving? i beleive only monetary n inbreeding n over breeding of such dirty dogs spoil the breed itslf today pits of RE lines are in great demand To accept the fact i too liked those bullystyle pits untill some very enlightened people threw light into my eyes about overbreeding n health problems
wot purpose is a poodle/ pug servin by crossbreeding we also pass on hereditary defects to the pups intermixing the breeds
even a pitbull which is a cross serves its purpose not these overlarge unhealthy mutts
the other day i read about a woman wantin to sell a poodle pug mix a labrador pomeraninan mix is very common
today the clubs also aint very bothered thats y we see excessively large pit bulls far away frm their conformations having UKC/ ADBA registration
Diffrent breeds came from people with plans, not people just combining two dogs.
Creating a bred is a long, complicated task.
If you don't like linebreeding and inbreeding never go near another purebred animal becuase thats how they are created. Its part of animal husbantry. These animals do not have the same psycological need that we do to preserve the family structure for their socity, so its not "sick" and "wrong" as that they are not humans.
And not all human cultures practice the same family structure that we do and they are not "sick" and "wrong".
Breeds don't pop out because someones decides it'd be cute to cross a cocker and a pug. There is a lot more work then that.
And there are many breeds that are natrual and created from isolated populations, and there are breeds 100% created with intent on a reason.
Dobies and GSD where not created because someone thought it'd be cool to just pop two dogs together.
Look at some of the breeds that are being created and fighting for reconization and see what they have to go through before you just say "oh all dogs started as mixes" it is not that easy.
I can say "all cars started as metal so why is the benz cooler then the ugo?"
I have respect for anyone that is working onc reating a breed, its a ton of work and a lot of heartache. But for those just combinging dogs becuase its "cool" no thanks.
Well said Icy! If all of the people out there who are selling puppies based on telling the potential buyers they are a new breed-They are lying.
There are so many steps to create a new breed and unless they have the financial resources, a potential parent club, years of documented testing and history-they are not trying to create a new breed-but sell a designer dog. Most who are crossbreeding have no clue what it takes to properly introduce a new breed and the amount of pedigree it takes.
Even notice when you buy a designer shirt or even any shirt that the tag says that any flaws in the garment are a characteristic of the fabric? Well to a breeder that is truly not trying to create a new breed with all of the channels followed-this is exactly what you'll end up with. With the flaws being genetic diseases that may not normally show up in the purebreds. Breeders have strived for years to help eliminate genetic disease, but this tends to work backwards from all of the testing and proper breeding that has been done. Crossing 2 breeds does not create a hypo-allergenic dog.
IF you'd like a mix-go to the shelter. I've had many wonderful mixes in my life, but for consumers to pay the high prices like they are, that isn't right.
thanx icy hound but there is somethin adding to the increased destruction the kennel clubs in the US are very badly organised I assure u that im not pointing the country but at the kennel clubs there which are not really doin wot they have to do when u see a pit n dogue de bordeaux mix u can make it out directly as the one in barbwire kennels but still he is registered under UKC wot is the UKC tryin to do earn or maintain the integrity of the breed sorry for bein harsh http://www.prattspits.homestead.com/MALES.html look at nemesis he looks good but when u see his page he is long n by no means he matches the physical standards of a pit bull but he is club registered n his sire is a gr. champion to me all this sounds funny i wonder sometimes on the titles of such dogs but then ive had further assurance that they are titled the same thanx to a good frnd of mine in the US I am not an american but am from India Many of u guys know a lot moree about dogs than i can ever think of but i wonder y u people dont take a stand against such acts of world reknown clubs
im not highlighting indian clubs because most dogs over there are much finer but here in india the INKC inspired by the foremost kennel clubs of the world of which the usa has a high celebrity satatus but here registration is done after the dogs are checked n proven to be of the right breed by a vetnarian n the club staff for which the dog is brought to the club hence dilution of breed is resistive
and then one person is palnning to get a morkie a maltese/yorkie accepted they look cute but with wot mental frame did the owners breed these two dogs? cute is beleive is the answer
Actually Arjun, you are wrong when referring to pits and american pit bull terrier standard. There's an insane amount of variation in the pit breed and it's all acceptable in the UKC and ADBA standards. How much variation? Wellt he standard specifically says "Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds. Dogs over these weights are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy." Thus, the dog could be the size of an english mastiff and it woudlnt' be disqualified, unless the dog had ungainly proportions.
All dog registrise require a certain amount of honesty on the part of the breeder, but in general, regardless of what the dog looks like, if it has two purebred registered parents of the same breed, then it's a purebred dog of that breed. Thus, if the dog's sire and dam were dobermans, then it's a doberman, regardless of whether it's the size of a cat or the size of a great dane. It may not be within the written stnadard, but not being within the standard does NOT mean that the dog isn't purebred. It just means it's not within the standard. A dog registry's job is to maintain stud books and pedigrees tot he best of their ability. That is not poor organization, that's just how they work.
If I breed two purebred AKC registered/pedigreed labrador retrievers together, and they have a puppy that's speckled like an english setter, is that dog any less a labrador because of what of the speckles? Certainly not. It's got bad markings and wouldb e disqualified from showing in the conformation ring, but it's still a labrador genetically and thus is certainly eligible to be reigstered as such.
Just a quick request can you try to use punctuation, it is really hard to make out your posts. I don't think crossbreeding is wrong. people have been doing it since the begining of selective breeding. it has just recently gotten popular among the companion dogs. Sled dogs are notoriously cross breed as are flock guarding dogs. This is nothing new. It has just been recently gone a little more mainstream.
nothing wrong with x breeding as long as people are interested in the breed your creating, besides all dogs in the begining all were bred from a bit of this and a bit of that, the problem is some people have no judgement on whats good quality, that also goes for half the people breeding purebreds
hi. Minniyar i dont disagree to wot u say. it happens with humans too. parents are like 5 feet and 6 inches and 5 feet 10 inches but the son grows to be like six feet 10 inches and 300 lbs. but wot im addressing here are apbts which are not really apbts. in the sites that ive posted the pit bulls dont even look like pitbulls like the one at mugglestons pit bull farm u can very easily say there is a genetic line of the neapolitan mastiff. and these dogs according to me are bred n made becoz the look appealing. but they dont match the real pit bull. and over on top of this if they are really tryin to create a new breed they should be concious. they should try to eradicate health problems but on the contrary the RE lines have health problmes which are deteriorating. i dont define this as planned good breeding . theit motives are primarily monetary . secondly why are they tryin to make a new breed? i dont think they have any other purpose but the moolah behind it. the sled dogs were cross bred for increasing sled pullin potential. the apbt was bred for dog fighting. wot is a abpt, neopolitan mastiff and amstaffmixed n bred for? i beleive its profits. im sorry if i hurt people here. THE USA has refined quality of dogs . any really interested breeder would from abroad would want to get the class n true quality. like im on an apbt. if the clubs make rules sticter then the offsprings quality will rise due to the facilities u have there. thank u n if i hurt anybody i apologize
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