They are fullblooded GSDs DNA confirmed it. Just a genetic mutation. A Panda GSD bred with a regular colored GSD will result in 50% panda pups and 50% regular pups. Its just a different color. Its just started showing up so the GSD world isnt sure if there are any genetic health issues specifically with the panda mutation. I think the Pandas are one that have to grow on ya-- kinda like my hairless chinese crested. ( BTW she rules the roost over all my GSDs)
Genetic mutations aren't very often GOOD things to breed for. Genes that delete color often delete OTHER things, as well- hearing and sight. They are pretty- but they're not very good examples of GSDs- at least THOSE. Breeding for color and pattern doesn't HAVE to sacrifice body and function- such a shame. :(
here's what I find weird. If you breed any panda GSD to a normal one, and you get a 50/50 mixture of pandas and normals, that means that the gene is a dominant one, or an incomplete dominant. Which means it should have shown up lonng ago.
Minni-- i dont know all the specifics to the breeding stuff on the Pandas-- Just what we have been told in our blue/liverGSDs discussion group. I dont personally like the look of the Pandas-- They dont look like shepherds to me-- I prefer my sables and solids (whatever color the solids they may be) I know that it has just started being documented. I dont think its something that should be bred for either-- There are enough problems in the American GSD lines as it is.
I have known this breeder for a while now, and she is a very good person--a very responsible breeder. Her dogs are pure GSD. The genes creating the pandas are not recessive, so the chances are slimmer that there would be health problems associated with it. To my knowledge, health problems associated with color usually occur when recessive traits are bred for, such as with albinism. The Pandas emerged due to a "freak" mutation that appears to have created a DOMINANT piebalding affect (further evidence that these dogs are not mixed with another breed for their color since in all canines, with the exception of the Panda GSDs, piebalding is recessive). To my knowledge, the breeder has not encountered any health defects in these dogs--they are as healthy as her "normal" GSD's.
And just to add... I think it is important to remind ourselves that the very existence of our domestic dogs is due to genetic mutations such as what has occurred in the Panda GSD's. What we own today are basically just super-mutated wolves (if it is your belief that dogs originated from wolves). A genetic mutation is not necessarily a “bad” thing.
I think they are quite beautiful! Someone on another website I frequent posted a link to this breeder and I thought it was very neat. I agree with Seijun. If it weren't for mutations and people trying new things we wouldn't have half of the wonderful breeds we have today.
They may look like they have Aussie in them, but again, that would still not result in what has happened to these GSD's. Pie balding is recessive in Aussies, as with all other dogs that I know of. In the Pandas, the pie balding gene has appeared in a dominant form. Dominant pie balding genes do not occur in Aussies, or any other dogs, to my knowledge.
excessive white markings that is what I was thinking.to me it still looks like a Australian Shepherds mix.Some of my Australian Shepherd pups have to much white.I bred me stud dog to a black tri female.My stud dog is a red tri. 2 of the pups have waaaay to much white on them.So when I saw the pic of the GSD with blue eyes I thought of the 2 aussie pups.Some red tri and black tri aussie do get the blue eyes.
I realy don't care if it is a mix or not because it is not one of my dogs. I thought she was cut... so I was not trying to start anything.So sorry if I sound like I was....