Personally, and this is my opinion, please don't hate me... I would be thinking about the well-being of my dog but also about the people who surround me. Yes, she loves your family and you love her with all your heart, but you have to understand that if anything ever happens (ie she bites someone) you would be the one responsible for her actions. She is only 2 years old and could still learn to be sociable around people and animals alike and it might take time, but if you don't have the time, patience or whatever, than I would definately recommend a GSD rescue group in your area.
Quite frankly, if my dog were the way you are describing yours, it would break my heart that she could not be around other people or animals. I would hate to see her like that, with all her health problems and all.
For the others that have posted, maybe this person had researched GSD before purchasing his beloved pet and the breeder had told him something like "oh this blood-line has no flaws whatsoever" and maybe it didn't, until now. Or maybe it was because no other owners had contacted them with problems with their dogs and just let it be the way it was. Who knows, but I'm not trying to be rude here, just stating my opinion is all. I hope you find a solution as to what you will do with her and hopefully you make the right choice, for her and yourself.
I have a silly question for you. Do you have children? Are they young or have they BEEN young?
Did they ever do things that drove you to distraction? spill their food? draw or color on the walls? break things?
Did they ever scream and cry for no descernable reason? Keep you up all night when you had to get up early the next morning? puke all over everything? embarrass you in front of family, friends or out in public? have problems with runny noses, ear aches or the dreaded fevers of unexplained origins?
Just think, you put up with all of that, knowing that with proper patience, love and "training", they WOULD get better. And I'm sure you never asked your child to have a litter of pups!
Another question, if you DO have children, how were YOUR hormones right after? Did you feel bright and cheerful all the time? Was there ever a time when you just wanted somebody to show you a little love and tenderness and patience?
Not trying to be critical and sometimes it's simply not something you are able to work out, but I am a firm believer in the old addage, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
It really SOUNDS like she's done her "duty", had her pups, now you've moved on to another breed that strikes you fancy at the moment (are the pugs intact, opposite sex by any chance?) and you would really rather not be bothered with her any longer.
Which reminds me, I have to ge beat Arwen who has decided to clean the mud off herself, all over my new sofa! OH AND she has ever so cleverly pulled the imported, tapestry pillow from the corner to place her little (ok, not so little) head on! Anyone in the market for a 1 year old Pyr female?????? Ughhh JUST KIDDING!
no trust me i want to keep her i just dont know what is wrong with her and i want to get her spayed because her litter wasnt healthy..and no i dont plan on breeding the pugs, i got them from someone who needed 2 get a home for them..y does everyone on here assume things wow
look i take care of her and love her very much even the vets ive seen are puzzled by her behavior they said that the breeder i got her from probably wasnt a good one i dont want to just throw her away to some shelter i want to get her better and if i cant im not sure what to do because she wont get along with anyone i bet if i did give her to you you wouldnt beable to handle her she just doesnt like anyone else
dogeatdogworld. hi i am the gunny, i am a dog trainer. I have three of my own. one who is very "civil" that is what we call a dog whom we fear might bite for real. first off the ear infection thing, caused by digging?...I can tell you that is absurd. ear infections do not happen over night. they happen because of a build up of bacteria and/or virsus. i dea with mostly Malinois and GSD"s both pricked eared dogs. the first thing i would do is change the diet. I personally feed the RAW diet. but a "better quality kibble" will help strengthen her immune system. next, i would clean those ears weekly, and the last thing i would for dogs health is find another vet. training wise. i would get a pinch collar or choke collar and leash and invite a friend over. one that is comfortable working with the dog but whom the dog is not comfortable with. i would give the friend treats and offer them to the dog. if the dog reacts fearful or aggressive "pop the leash" and try again. do not give the treats until the dog acts more confident. if you decide to start this you can not stop until the the dog acts more confident or at a minium not aggressive. this is going to be a long road to recovery if you decide to keep the dog. find a good trainer who has expereience in traing fearful and aggressive dogs. the vast wealth of knowledge you will need to rehab this dog has taken me years to aquire. and cannot be effectively given over the internet. you have to do each and everything i told you to do and what the trainer tells you to do in order for this to work. this dog is saveable.
But blaming this on the breeder? at her current age? Come on now.
Look, I can feel your pain, and heres why:
I have a Rott, who is fearful of people... just not me, Dave and my friend Kayte. I have taken her to OB classes, and she passed with flying colors, but she is still terrified of people, especialy men. and this, Yes, I do blame on the breeder, we think HE beat her. And you know what? She is the best damn guard dog that I have. Not because she'll bite, because she wont... but because she barks anytime some one cames in teh house.. and then runs back to my room, and stays there. When we got her, we knew her temperment was shot, but we love her more then anything,And knew that she was OUR responsibility, no one elses. We have NEVER thought about giving her up, or putting her down, which you did state in your first post.
I think you might want to go back ans read your 1st post, and maybe you might be able to understand why some of us are acting the way we are.
canucktigger, if you're referring to me being quick to assume things, no...I asked.
My statements (not questions) were based on what YOU posted.
Yes, you do have to take the safety of your family into consdieration first and foremost. However, if this dog was NOT this way from the outset, something happened to change her.
Bottom line is that when you take on a pet, you assume responsibility for the animal. If and when problems arise, you are obligated to try everything possible to find a soultion that works for both your family and the pet.
In some cases, you can't.
But saying there is no solution before you have exhausted every possible avenue is just thrrowing the pet away.
IMO Depends on how much of a commitment you are willing to make and what time, energy and effort (yes, and expense) you are willing to invest in this dog.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 6/17/2005 6:54:34 AM*** Reason: xx
actually..this dog WAS like this , nothing happend to change her she's always been this way, the breeder informed me (or atleast fed me a car salesmen speech) about how much of a good quality pup i would be getting and how i wouldnt be dissapointed n how my dogs parents are top quality n ect. as i looked around the breeders backyard i thought to my self that she must be professional because i saw almost every breed of dog imaginable, so many of them i mean over 100 pups n studs n just so many animals it was like a farm she also had horses n cows n ducks n chickens n pigs n ect so i thought this had to be someone with experience who had put in a lot of time for her dogs. and thanks gunny i tried that training method with her yesterday, she struggled to get away from that person its as if she fears everyone but my family, surprisingly if i m with her she does ok at the vets office, but she even is a little tipsy when it comes to trusting us because she is afraid of loud noises, and if someone walks up/downstairs she runs away, and also i am afraid she will bite and or attack someone if i "force" her to be friendly, i have her eating a different dog food now, science diet, she doesn't really like it but she will have to learn to like it. i am trying really hard 2 help her because i know there is no other place for her in the world i am patient with her but u have to understand how much stress this is causing my family AND the dog, im not worried about money, ive put so much money into her vet bills, her being a gsd n all, i wouldnt just buy a dog without knowing the expenses i know gsd's are expensive to take care of , all in all i just want to help her n some of u are understanding and offering advice, the others who r judging and being rude no thanks ill get help elsewhere
***Edited By: dogeatdogwrld on 6/17/2005 8:02:24 AM*** Reason: add
I just wanted to say that your first post absolutely horrified me, I can see why people reacted as they did, as everyone has been saying, take the dog to obedience classes, looks like they can't stress that enough to you. Your right, you can't just "throw her away to some shelter", she's your baby, and your responsibility. I have a GSD and she is also protective of me and my family, it's a wonderful thing yet your complaining about it? I wish I knew where you lived so I could take the poor dog and help both of you out, my Delilah could use some company. If your willing to take the time, spend the money, and put in the effort to help your dog, I think you'll be happy with the outcome. Please don't give up on her, she hasn't given up on you.
***Edited By: jennv_2002 on 6/17/2005 8:32:01 AM*** Reason: spelling
OK, I know I'm probably going to end up regretting asking this, but here goes
You've never mentioned her age. How old is she? What age did you bring her home from the breeder? How old was she when she had her litter?
If she was like this to begin with, why, in HEAVEN'S name did you breed her or not spay her preventing a litter? Passive/aggressive temperments are not something you want to pass down to future dogs.
If this is a result of her breeding lines and genetic, then you certainly should not have allowed her to have pups.
If it environmental, then there has to be a cause for it. What we're trying to do is to help you do is find the cause and to help address it.
Gunny is wonderful and experienced and has offered you help, which you acknowledge. Yet with each of your posts I get more confused.
If the dog had behavior problems (serious ones, not common puppy behaviors) why on earth didn't you address it long ago, with the breeder?
I seem to be the one who's posts you're taking exception/offense to. Sorry about that, but if you're not prepared for a wide range of responses, you will be equally dissatisfied if you post the same way on any other pet forum.
We are ALL trying to help, but first we have to understand what it is that has happened. The why and how of it. Your original post was not very clear on your desire to keep and help this girl out.
Your subsequent posts have made it clearer about her protectivness towards your family, but I still don't why you would have accepted this behavior up to this point and now it's a problem.
The constant ear infections are also curious. If it's allergies, did the vet give you advise on how to dry up the fluid while treating the infection? What (other than digging) did the vet say could possibly cause an otherwise healthy dog to keep ear infections?
i did mention her age she is going to be 2, i got her when she was 4 months old i mentioned all of that, i tried to contact the breeder numerous times, i got her from another state and it was hard to contact the breeder she wouldnt answer her phones or reply to my emails i figured the pup just needed some time to get used to people because she was used to staying outside with a pack of other gsd's. i know it was a mistake 2 breed her i didnt know much about breeding then, my vet said that she has a lot of dirt in her ears and its caused by digging (he didnt say anything else) and i clean her ears with this stuff he gave me and shes on medicine and i know your all trying to help i guess some come off more harsh than others but i appreciate it thats what im here for
***Edited By: dogeatdogwrld on 6/17/2005 9:11:05 AM*** Reason: add
I starting to read this a bit late.Idid have a GSD at one time for a short period of time,hi name was Max. He came from a bad breeder. We got him when he was 4 months old ,had him until he was 2.I moved where dogs where not allowed,my dad is a lover of GSD so he took Max.When Max came home to us he living in his own urine and fecees,mange all over,dirty ears. Max started to have seizures, he full of worms and very shy.Max was pts at 8 for severe aurthritis.My point is we worked with his temperment problems and never gave up on him.She is saveable ,but it will take work.
here i go geting involed again..lol...i raise german shepherds and this is what i think..many breeders...even show breeders dont care after the sale..so...dont bother with the breedr.she /he could care less..unless you buy another one that is...and i personally dont have room for all the misfits...and i dont have the expertise to train them at present...but we are activly seeking help in that area...that said..i say do what you feel in your heart//if you feel you can not do this dog justice...let it go...find a rescue but be advised..most have no room...so most will say...sorry we cant help you...if you keep it we will tel you if any one contacts us that wants her we will let you know...pretty flimsy if you ask me..but so many are being fostered that they run out of room...that said...make sure that you give an accurate discription of her temperment...dont gloss over anything...and yes..they might say she is unadoptable...and suggest her to be put down...i guess the balls in your court and if you do one thing or the other it is only your business. I have a bitch hat i have a rescue involved in and i have not heard from them in a lonmg time...yet i have the dog and she has a timid temperment...i wont put her down...but staying here isnt getting her the help she could need or use either...so..your not alone...we all have some sort of issue...some deal better then others...i love mine so much i cant stad to see a pet not happy...and if they are not happy here...i find them a lace where they can be...good luck to you AND i hope it all works out..
thankyou so much i am going to try obedience classes which im not counting on for them to work she is very stubborn but i just cant put her in a rescue because i dont see her getting along with anyone else if she gets any sicker i might have to put her down although its going to be very sad i dont want her to go through the pain she is with her ear infections and me having to keep her isolated from other people and ect
okay, dogs are are not stubborn. the just are under motivated and trained. the obedience will not work, if do not believe it will. also, everytime someone suggests something you change the story or say it ain't going to work. i will say this, I am not amatuer or a hack. if your dog really is this way. everything your dog does and has is fixable. i would put a months pay on it. if you do not believe us go somewhere else, quit wasting our time. you obviously know very little about dogs. which is not dangerous till you think you know it all. you won't be the first person to be offended here and leave. We are not trying to offend you. we are trying to get you to see that your dog is fixable. but go ahead put it down, you'll have to live it with it. i won't. i begging to suspect dogeatdogworld is a troll. just trying see how long he or she can string us along.
dogEatdogwrld Gunny IS the one who gave you the step by step on how to begin helping your dog's anxiety problems.
I stick with my original opinion in that you may have convienced yourself that you were posting here looking for help, but in truth were just wanting us to agree with you that you should have the poor girl PTS.
I certainly hope the two you "rescued" don't develop any problems because it sounds like they'd be next up on the chopping block.
see ur missing the whole reason i posted is because i dont want her to be put to sleep..some of u suggested it but thats my last option i wanted to help her..o well your negativity is not going to affect me ill find help elsewhere