Hi everyone! I'm getting a min pin and among the pups I can choose from is a "regular" sized min pin and a "teacup-sized" one. I know there are no such things as "teacup min pins," but does anyone think it is not a good choice to get the tiny one because of health reasons? Anyone have any experience or input? thanks!
I've never really seen a tiny min pin, but as all tiny dogs the risks of them getting sick is higher since all their inner organs are smaller than a regular dogs. they need special diets and you have to be extra careful that they are getting enough food it is really easy for them to get sick
oh yeah..if i had to pick between the tiny one and the normal one id definitely get the normal one, although the tiny one is probably much cuter, theres no telling what can happen to him if he gets sick it will be much harder to take care of and may end up very tragic
***Edited By: puppiepwr on 6/18/2005 11:18:15 PM*** Reason: add
I totally agree with LongDogs4Me. Generally speaking, any breeder that deviates from the standard of their breed purposely is bad news because the standards are there for a reason (health, structure, and other reasons depending on the breed). This is usually a sign that they are willing to compromise in other areas of the dog/puppy/breed. Any breeder who says they breeds "teacup" anything is not one I would even consider as an option.
BECAUSE it means one of two things - either they aren't knowledgable enough to know that there is no such thing OR they have no problem deceiving the general public that doesn't know that there is no such thing. Wouldn't it just be easier to tell the truth and call a spade a spade? Even if the puppy is an accidental "runt" it would be responsible of the breeder to not "sugar coat" it and to just say - "It's the runt".
What they have is a potentially undersized, sub-standard dog. This doesn't necessarily mean it will make a lousy pet, but it will be more inclined to have health problems or structure problems than the standard version of the breed (again, AKC standards are there for a reason and not just because some snooty person said so - the standards were settled on after years of trial and error and lots of research into what was best for the breed in order for it to be healthy and capable of doing it's job). Technically, a "teacup" would be a largely faulted dog and therefore should be marked down in price. My personal view - if it walked into a show ring and the judge automatically disqualified the dog then it should be marked down in price (because it is severly faulted according to the breed standard).
People looking for pets often discount the importance of the AKC standard for the breed. However, this can be a great indicator for you of whether you are dealing with a reputable, good breeder or a backyard breeder or puppy mill. BYB's and Millers often have NO regard for the breed. They are only breeding to make money. They don't care about the quality of dog they produce - and I mean in all areas! (Structure, health, temperament) Good breeders, even ones who breed pet quality dogs and don't show, still worry about the standard for their breed and try and produce the best quality that they can. They also don't use phony terms like "teacup" or call an undersized puppy a "Mini" or "toy" when there isn't supposed to be one for the breed. They are honest and even willing to tell you when they aren't doing something up to the level of where they would like to be.
I would also assume that a smaller than normal Min Pin would have some joint problems (luxating patella especially).
My last point/question - aren't Min Pins already really small? Who needs a dog the size of a hamster? (exaggeration :) Why the sudden need for everyone to breed dogs so tiny that you have to make smaller pockets for them to fit in...Maybe my problem is that I'm not a teeny tiny dog person - or maybe I just can't see the logic behind making everything smaller. I mean, I know it's a plus with cell phones and computers... but dogs.... do they need to be smaller?
First, what does this breeder consider the normal size? As a Min Pin breeder myself, if they are not show people and made to conform to the standard, alot of them think 15-17 inches is normal. Weight is not a deciding factor in Pins, they vary in body type to the point that weight doesnt tell much. How long has this person bred the breed?, What size are the parents? Is it their "norm" to get these "so-called" teacups? Health issues do not necesarily follow the dog just because its the runt, careful breeders doing things right will have complete health clearance before the sale and guarantee it. I get them from time, but very rarely, generally when I am trying a new breeding. Those who sell them as teacups are generally trying to breed them tiny on purpose to make more off of them. We generally keep them longer than the others and they have had several trips to the vet prior to sale until we are confident their health is good, we also have a health guarantee. Just be careful, ask questions, and if anything doesnt feel comfortable, dont make the purchase.
Congratulations on getting a Min Pin. I just got a 2nd and he was 2 lbs. 7 oz. at 8 weeks old. He is a little smaller than Georgie, my first Min Pin, when we got her. She was 3 lbs., 3 oz. and is now 11 1/2 inches tall and a little over 10 lbs. and she needs to lose a little weight and be a little under 10 lbs. I think he will be the same. The AKC standard for the breed is 10 - 12 inches tall and 8 to 10 pounds.
Min Pins are not little lap dogs and are not really content to be carried everywhere. My two will wiggle to get down. They are a lot of fun and full of energy. The hardest thing to control is their level of excitement. Georgie gets so excited but that is also part of her charm.
Good luck with your new dog. Will be interested to hear just how small the "teacup" is and what you decide. Need to compare notes when you get yours I would love to and there are also other Min Pin owners on here.
Most Pins are lap dogs and thrive for the attention to remind them they are kings....the standard is 10- 12 1/2 inches at the withers, with 11 to 11 1/2 the preference for show. Weight is determined by size , body proportion, boning, etc....but on average females 6 1/2- 10 lbs, males 6 - 9 lbs, but that is dependent on the type of the specific dog....they are such clowns!!, I only have two that prefer not to sit and be held.
Well I went for the bigger guy, who is not so big at all lol. He's 3 pounds and just a tiny little thing. That's around what minpinmom said her pups were and their size is normal now, around 11 inches, which actually I've heard is the most desirable height. I'm very glad I didn't get the 1 pounder though my guy already seems so small. The teacup sized is just over a pound. This breeder is very responsible though, the puppy was just the runt of a litter, he doesn't breed smaller min pins or anything. And he wants the 1 lb pup to go to a special home bc of his size. But, yeah, my puppy's a blast, he is sooo adorable, and he just loves to cuddle. Well, thanks for your input everyone.
Congrats on your new family member....have fun, they are so comical! Glad to hear that the breeder is cautious about where her pups go and she is holding the runt for a special situation. Just the refernce to "teacup" before worried me. Would love to see some pics when you get them!
Hi there, I have two regular min pins and a teacup min pin...I am crazy about all of them. I have to say that my experince with the teacup has been excellent..Make sure you have a good breeder. Ask to see pictures of the parents..they should be small.(under 5lbsfuill grown).to make sure you are not getting a runt puppy from big parents...if you email me I can send you a photo of my micro Min Pin...(Petulla) I would like to know who you got you teacup from...in case I want another in the future..thanks Victoria firstname.lastname@example.org
If a "teacup" dog gives birth, they will probably have to do a C-section & the dog might die from giving birth since she would be so small. There is no such thing as a teacup dog, they are just runts that are unhealthy.
Justpuppylove, runts are not unhealthy pups because they are small, either the breeder breeds unhealthy animals or not, there is nothing showing that the smaller one of a litter is deemed "ill" due to its size. I get them myself occasionally and they have absolutely no health problems. If the runt is unhealthy, it is quite likely the breeder has other regular sized pups that are also unhealthy