I have been looking around a lot today at puppy mill websites and it is making me so sad. It makes me feel worse to know that there is probably a 90% chance that he came from one. When we got him he was dirty and had been shaved. Anyway, I have been a little too nonchalant about it (not condoning, but not understanding), but it's really out of control. I found this site with graphic pictures that were shocking:
Yay Frostygirl! Do we have a convert on our hands???? If so, *hugs*! BTW- many people have made the mistake of buying dogs from bybs or puppymills..I bought my pup from a 'rescue' woman who was really just a dog collector, my pup came from a byb..but instead of getting defensive and being like 'well my dog is fine so it is okay, so there!' , I've made it a point to become even more educated and aware and try to help others. The woman I got Nula from sounded great over the phone..she rescued the momma from a byb and so she had puppies blah blah, but when I got there and saw the filthy house (this woman does really think she's a rescue person BTW) and she started telling me how two of the pups (mine included) lost some hair so she dipped them in diluted bleach (in case it was mange?) and also dipped them in lyme (in case it was ringworm?) and gave them shot of ivromectin (more mange?). I was appalled and didn't want to give her money but there was no way I was leaving Nula there. So I did what most people do, gave her money and took the pup and ran. I was so scared of the possible problems she might have. But so far *knock on wood* other than some mange and a staff infection she's been fine. But for me that doesn't mean it was okay...I've spent the last three years volunteering for dog rescue and trying to educate people (myself included). There is no need to feel guilty or defensive, just chalk it up to a learning experience and say, "Next time I will know better". I don't regret buying my dog because I love her to death, she is so wonderful, but I will never make the same mistake again and I try very hard to get the message out there about bybs and puppymills. Knowledge can be a terrible thing sometimes though. :(
Frosty....a lot of us have made the 'pet shop' mistake at one time or another. I did. Now I know better...but as mentioned...it certainly does not make you love you dog any less. I'm glad to hear you feeling that way now...as more and more people learn the condition that most pet shop puppies are born in...maybe more and more people will stop supporting pet shops that sell puppies, and we can put more and more puppymills out of business. I hope that someday......there will be no more mills.
I only saw the first one the other three are not working with me. But did you see how thin that poor dog was! that is what I call CRUELTY. that does not look like a rescue centre at all. And these people are just selling dogs for money!?!?!?!? That is RIDICULUS!! Who could do such a thing!??! Very distraught WelshPuppy xxxxxx (How could they do such a f***** thing?!) ooops.......I wasn't meant to say that......... sorry!
Okay, I wrote that wrong. What I meant was whether you buy them or rescue them they are still no longer at the pet store. But I was talking to my mom about it and she says, which I hadn't really put a lot of thought into, that it encourages the store to keep selling. I get it now. I will NEVER buy from a store again!
Don't beat yourself up about it, as someone else stated, alot of us have made the "petstore" mistake. I did it about 15 years ago. I bought a cute little pom that never "furred out" and was neurotic as all get out. But I loved her. I have since educated myself, and realize what a horrible mistake I made. And that's what counts! I will never make that mistake again. Take heart from your "self-education", some people never see the light. You have!
Everyone keeps talking down on pet stores!! Pet stores arnt bad. You all keep showing pictures of these nasty , horrible facilities. These are not where pet stores buy their puppies. Belive it or not many pet store owners really do care about the puppies..! Yes .. pet stores do buy from commerical kennels but they are nothing like this. I've visited many of them .. then are clean clean places. The places that I have seen have had vets on site caring for puppies and dogs. So you cant just say one side of the story saying your dog came from a place like that. Yes .. Most likely your puppy came from a commerical breeder but most respectable pet stores buy from GOOOOD , CLEAN , commerical breeders.
Am i the only one who finds the term 'commercial breeder' disturbing? Just because a breeder keeps their dogs in clean conditions doesn't mean they're responsible, or not a puppy mill. Yes, some puppy mills are horrible places that are dirty and disease ridden. The other puppy mills are just factory type breeding operations, all they care about is producing as many puppies as possible so they can get more bucks. And just because places have a vet on site doesn't mean they're good to buy a dog from. Most of those places when you buy a dog with a guarantee from them, the guarantee only works if you use THEIR veterinarians, and basically, the guarantee is whatever their vet says. If the vet doesn't like what they see, you have to give them back your dog for a new one. If you don't want to give up your dog, you're screwed. No treatment options are given. That's a sorry guarantee.
a replacment policy isnt bad. Breeders can have flaws in puppies. If a puppy is sick for any reason and the breed says he will replace the puppy he isnt in the wrong. The breeder in most states is required to replace the puppy or give back the purchase price. Not more. Most other vets that arnt the breeders charge $hundreds of dollars for the price a breeder vet will do for half.
Do you think that a commercial breeder would pass this questionaire? http://www.danemist.com/ABCs/checklist.html I would be very surpised if there are any large scale commercial interests that show their dogs and only breed champions. I would also be very suprised if any large scale commericial interests properly socializes their puppies either. And I would be even more surprised if they have 2+ generations of medical records, ofa, cardiac, thyroid, cerf, genetic testing or are registered with the breed specific club like the gdca. These firms are not trying to 'better the breed'. As a result they do a disservice to the animals that they sell by breeding dogs that perpetuate known problems within the specific breeds. That is why medical and genetic tests and histories as well as 'showing' is so important. Why in the world would you breed dogs that are not improving the breed? You only spread the problems that are out there already and are not helping to breeed out those problems.
Definition of a uppy mill according to the universal kennel club: 1. Their only purpose is to make money from pets. (Simply selling pets for money, does not make someone's only purpose, just to make money from pets, as almost every breeder sells their pets for money in America) 2. Most of their pets are not properly treated and cared for. (Not a rare and/or an occasional case of their pets becoming sick or injured, which happens to many pets, in and across America) 3. They are not upholding and maintaining laws concerning their pets. (They are breaking laws in their state, whether they are local, state and/or federal laws, in the sale, care and/or treatment of their pets) 4. They obviously show a total disregard for the policies, programs, restrictions procedures, rules, standards, information, actions, benefits and services of Universal Kennel Club. (Not a simple error, mistake and/or misunderstanding concerning our policies programs, restrictions procedures, rules, standards, information, actions, benefits and services) 5. Their actions cause severe harm or injury to pets and/or pet owners. (Not what might have been an accident, temporary or a less than perfect condition, or even a misunderstanding from a breeder, a dealer in pets and/or a caretaker of pets) 6. Their improper actions are specific, repetitive and causing continued serious harm. (Not just an occasional human error, mistake and/or misunderstanding, or less than perfect condition, which does not harm the overall health of a pet) 7. Their pets are improperly caged, housed and transported. (Not just an occasional, temporary or limited case of improper caging, housing and transportation)
You know the problem here is supply and demand. People want puppies sooooo badly. They need to see a store full of a variety of cute puppies. They will choose the cutest one they find. This is not a well researched decision. Most people who buy from a pet store are not see the full picture of vet bills and 10-15 years of having a new life in their homes. When the dog is 'untrainable' it is carted off to the pound, and a new one is purchased. There are breeders out there who so highly regard every puppy that they produce, that they will not even breed if every single puppy does not have a home before the breeding takes place. Other breeders will do a full check up on the families that there beloved puppy is going to. There maybe series of interviews to find the perfect home for their little pooches. Commercial breeders are not interested in the well being of the dogs past the front door. Once the cash is in hand they don't give it another thought.
kappie, a pet store will sell to anyone who can pay. no questions asked. no interview, no investigation into where they live, nothing. a little living being is sold to whoever has money. breeders and store owners who care about dogs would never be able to do this.
Kappie....what kind of socialization do you think commercial puppy breeder puppies get ??? Also....do you really think it's good to separate a puppy at 4 to 5 weeks from their mother ?? It happens all the time with commercial breeders...because they need to move the pupies out fast. This causes SEVERE improper socialization...among may many other problems. This says NOTHING about improvong the breed...health issues...this list goes on and on. "Clean" does not mean good.
Those are horrible pictures who would do that to animals? I could not get the 2 one to work I`ll try later. That`s just cruel. I was on coast to coast Dachshund rescue and there was a dog that came from a puppy mill and it weighed 0 lbs. it had no fur and when they got her she was dying. now she has fur and weighes 11 Lbs. www.c2cdr.org Go to search pet database they still have her on there her name is samantha. Dachshund luvr