I am thinking about buying a yorkie puppy from a breeder. The cost of the dog is $900.00. She says if I am not going to breed the dog and don't mind not having papers on him she will sell him for $750.00 . I am not going to breed him and don't really care about papers, I was just wondering if this is something people do?
I guess the price that she is asking is only a little higher than here. If the parents have the neccessary testing, the puppy is correct, healthy, etc, then it may be worth the extra money. I know the price varies all over the country. Just check into the breeder. I have heard of brokers paying more for yorkies than 200-400.
In all honesty, I bet most of my clients don't register their puppies either, unless they are going to show or breed them. We place ours on spay and neuter agreements unless we are able to work with them on that option. So unless you have breeding or showing in mind, you wouldn't even need the papers.
It's positively ridiculous that a breeder would use this practice- common or not. Registering a litter costs next to nothing- $150? Heck no! She's price gouging. If the puppy isn't close enough to standards to show and breed- then he/she should go home with a spay/neuter contract- no ifs ands or buts. No haggling.
If he/she IS a show/breeding quality dog- then he/she should only be sold to someone interested in showing the dog- someone qualified to breed.
I'd check around before paying that much for a puppy. I'm not that far from Rojo and Yorkies up here are up to $300, rarely up to $500, fully AKC registered.
If they don't want the dog bred, they can mark the papers limited registration. The dog can't be shown, for the most part, (there are some shows she can be exhibited in). But that way, you get the papers.
Plus, if she already registered the puppy and is selling the dogs without the papers, that kind of warns me that she may be doing something else with those papers. I'd be leary of that breeder. Are they using the papers on other dogs, is that why they want to keep them?
If it were me, I'd run far, far away from that breeder.
Just because the papers are marked as limited reg, doesn’t mean they can not be bred. An unscrupulous person can get a dog from a top ch line with a limited reg for much less, and register it with other registries. Other registries, including the UKC, do not respect and recognize the limited reg mark on the AKC paper. They’ll reg it with full breeding capabilities.
Also, if you issue full reg to an altered dog, some still can use these papers to reg a litter from a different unaltered dog. DNA testing is required for males only, so dishonest breeders can still switch papers on females with no repercussion.
This is why many do not give papers for dogs that are sold with S/P terms. It helps cut down on fraud.
I insist on a proof the dog was fixed before I send the reg paper with limited reg. If the buyers don’t like it, they can look elsewhere.
My preferred way to do it is also to sell on a S/N contract and only give the papers once I receive proof of the S/N. I prefer that my families get the papers because since I raise shelties, a good majority of the families I place with will decide to compete in agility, obedience, flyball, or herding trials just for fun with their dog. The do need to be able to show proof of registry in order to compete in AKC sanctioned events.
I would think that price would be a little high UNLESS the parents have all their necessary health clearances done, the parents have outstanding bloodlines (meaning the sire or grandsire is champion), and/or the breeder takes outstanding care of her puppies. They better be getting the top of the line food, vaccinations, living area, and her adult dogs better have the same and then some. I usually like to see the price reflect the level of care the puppies receive (obviously, a breeder who raises her dogs on Kibbles & Bits doesn't have any business charging what a breeder feeding Wellness should be charging). Ask what she does for her puppies and dogs? Do they have their own toys, ect... Things like that matter.
Unless you are planning to breed the dog that is way too much money.I rescued my dog from the shelter have you thought about adopting a dog there are lots of dogs that need good homes.You can find specific breeds that need homes at http://www.petfinder.com/
***Edited By: GSDFAN on 6/26/2005 8:14:05 PM*** Reason: added a link
It must be your area, they start at that price and up around me also. Selling for that much less without papers makes no sense to me, It doesnt cost much to register the litter, and she apparently already registered them. Doesnt make sense to me to do it that way, but I do see some people doing it on occasion, spay/neuter contract makes more sense
forgive me if im wrong...but dont the papers belong to the dog...i give mineto the owner with a limited registration.. average pet owner has no desire to breed. I dont know how we can think that we can control everyone...we can not...and if a breeder whated to keep the papers you can bet your bottom dollar there is unscrupulios things going on...if you register the litter why do you need to keep the papers from a few in the litter...i have enough unwanted paper in my house...i dont need more...the papers belong to the dog...thats my contention...
I use to keep my pups Registration Applcation.I was to dumb before to put in my contract that the pup must be fix at 6 months old and when I get a copy of that from the vet I will gave you the Registration Applcation..
All my dogs are register with ASCA Australian Shepherd Club Of America.So I can only speak for me. First you send in the Litter Reg:Applcation and then ASCA send a Inndividual Reg: Applcation.then you send that in then you will get your pups Reg:Certificate.
My yorkie males start around $650 and go up according to quality and size. All of my pups come with their AKC paperwork. They are sold as AKC pups so I feel the dog should go with their AKC papers. 95% are sold with limited reg. and spay and neuter contracts. If a buyer wants to mabey breed in the future we have a LONG talk about the ins and outs of it and the quality you must have to breed, and the pup itself must be quality to breed or I would NEVER sell with open papers, period!! It costs $25 for litter app and then $2 per pup. A litter of 4 pups would cost $33 through AKC. I feel a pup should be priced on the quality and come with their papers/ and limited paper and a spay/neuter contract to enforce that. I have never seen a registered yorkie sell for $200 to $400 anywhere! Like others have said it's not uncommon for a breeder to sell a pup discounted without the papers I just don't agree with that practice. I don't see what the breeder would gain by selling a pup without the papers for cheaper , when they could sell the pup for higher $$ with the paers and still get the same outcome with a enforced spay contract and limited reg. on the papers. Bottom line the reg. papers are not the most important thing when looking for a family pet that is healthy with a good temperment. Do your research in what the yorkie standard is, look at the parents of the pups , see how they are housed and kept by the breeder, and get a good health contract from the breeder so if you run into any issues you have a leg to stand on.
I always thought it was rude when people say no papers unless you want to spend extra money - though I see it a lot! I will give full papers all the time when I start breeding. I just don't see not giving papers. If someone spends the money they should get papers if you have them for the dog. That is just my opinion.
holidayzbliss - Do you mean you plan to sell ALL your puppies with "breeding rights"? I hope not. It is a personal preference, but let me briefly (or I'll TRY to be brief - I'm bad at it) explain to you why I won't do it.
There are a lot of nutcases out there who want to start breeding dogs because they either think A.) It's a great way for my pet to pay for itself. I can have one litter, charge $800 for each puppy and pay for YEARS of expenses on my dog!
B.) It's a great way to make money! I can have a litter of puppies and buy a new washing machine!
C.) It's a great way for me to stay home with my kids and they can see the miracle of life!
D.) I want my kids to see one litter of puppies born as an "educational experience".
None of these are reasons to breed. Breeding isn't usually profitable. In order to do it properly it involves at least as much money as it takes to raise a litter, more time than you ever imagined possible, and a heck of a lot of research. Does the average person off of the street understand this? No. Is it their problem. Not if you sold them the dog to breed.
I know a lady who has a Golden Retriever that she bought from her neighbor down the street. The neighbor has a purebred female with breeding rights that she let her boyfriend's Golden get pregnant. My friend bought the dog she got from her neighbor for $200. The pup has a severe heart murmur (genetic) that requires a $3000 surgery (when you include testing and recovery costs). The breeder doesn't care, because she just wanted to have one litter.
When a breeder sells all puppies with full registration to me (as an educated consumer as well as a breeder) it screams "I'm too lazy to ask people to spay/neuter and explain to them WHY". I sell (or place - as I consider it an adoption) about 50 puppies a year (sounds like a lot, but I still remember every single puppy I have ever sold's name, birthday, and their families name - and I'm in contact with nearly every family at least 4 times a year - it's hard work, but worth it). On average, 45 of those will go to homes on spay/neuter contracts. My puppy families have no problem with this once I explain WHY I ask them to spay/neuter. I also ask signifigantly less for my spay/neuter puppies than the average asking price for a quality puppy in order to make the spay/neuter operation affordable as well. Most people don't feel cheated when you explains the perks of spaying and neutering. I give the "full registration" option to my families IF I feel that they can handle responsibly breeding (because I want the best for my puppies) - but at a higher price (because I don't want folks coming back and saying "it's cheaper for me to pay for full registration than to pay for the spay operation".
I know this isn't brief at all - but here is a story for you - I know of a sheltie breeder that sells all of her puppies on full registration with breeding rights. She charges double what I charge for my spay/neuter puppies. She also has a clause in her contract that says that the new owner can NEVER sell the dog - they have to GIVE it back to her. I know another breeder that bought a dog from her several months ago. He is NOT breeding quality, so she wants to find him a good pet home, where he will be neutered and live a life of couch potato luxury. The puppy's breeder doesn't want him sold. She either wants the breeder who bought him to keep him, or to GIVE him back to her (where she will resell him to someone else to breed, even though he isn't breeding quality). I have a problem with this. It isn't fair to the puppy - or to the current owner (who assumed that someone who was charging that much for a sheltie puppy, sold all her pups with breeding rights, and claimed champion lines would have better quality dogs, or at least better practices for when a puppy didn't turn out).