My friend wants to purchase a puppy from a breeder. The breeder said if she wants full registration the puppy will go from 600 to 1200! The dogs are all show quality as per the breeder. She wants to show the puppy. I do not show so I thought I would ask all of you. She does not see why she has to pay double to show the puppy? Then she also said with limited registration she wont be able to breed the dog either. I am not sure if she wanted to breed or not, but thought I would let you know everything.
Is there any way around this? I thought if she registers with a different registry instead of the one the dog is registered with maybe she could still show the dog through the new registry if they have that? She just does not feel that doubling the money is right to be able to show the dog.
Also with limited registration does she have to spay or neuter the dog? How would they know if she did not - since she wants to show the dog.
limited registration is done to protect the puppy form people who do not know how to breed properly and from puppy mill breeders. In essence one who sells limited is being responsible and cautious. True show breeders do not ask higher prices for show/breeding rights. In fact they co-own the dog with you until championship is earned and then pick the champion dog you will breed to((The show puppy is the same price as the pet))they will also get free rights to stud service or a pick of litter puppy from your breeding. most will either sign off at earned championship. Some will continue on full lifetime of dog.You may also NOT show a dog thay has been altered , so if she tells you she needs proof of spay or neuter on your show animal BEWARE!
I charge more for show quality becuase my guaranty is that the dog capable of competing in the ring and if it is not I will replace it. Thats hefty becuase if the dogs bite goes off at 12 months of age, I have to reimburse them or give them another quality dog which may be the one I was keeping for myself.
Now, you can not show a dog on limited registration. Only the breeder can have registration taken from limited to full.
Most people charge more for dogs that are GOING to show but that should come with a guaranty that a pet dog would not have. I am not going to guaranty your pet has a perfect bite it does not matter to the health of the dog, but your show dog I will.
This is why people are advised to get show pups at 5+ months of age after some things can be determened.
We as responsible breeders sell our pet puppies with limited AKC registrations and spay neuter contracts....this prevents backyard breeding and protects the integrity of the breed. People that say they would like to show very rarely follow through and buy a dog with a full registration and do not follow the contract that the breeders require. This is why we are weary of people that are dishonest and go ahead and breed the dog anyway and do it just for money with disregard the integrity of the breed and only for profit. And in turn they sell the offspring with out limited registrations or spay or neuter contracts....they are diluting a special blood line that responsible breeding has created. Alot of thought and studying of pedigrees has been done and alot of money invested and for any one who says that if I pay so much money for a dog I should be able to do what ever I want with it has alot of disrespect for the responsible breeder....If you would like just a pet, go with a responsible breeder and you will get a excellent quality pet and you will be better off Buyer Beware and you get what you pay for. Do Your Research!! Make sure that a chihuahua or any other breed is what will fit your and your families life style. Research your prospective breeder and get and contact previous clients and recommendations...Responsible and Reliable breeders will welcome any and all questions you may have and if your questions irritate them they are probabaly not who you would like to deal with. Spaying or Neutering your pet is really in your best interest and the best of interest of your beloved Pet
Limited reg only applies to AKC registration and AKC sponsored shows.
You can register and breed limited AKC reg with other registries and show them in their respective shows.
Unfortunately, this practice becomes more and more popular. People are getting show quality dogs for half price from trusting breeders who foolishly believe they are ensuring that the dog won’t be bred by selling with limited reg and S/N contract, and register them instead with one of the other many registries.
It really is determined by the breeder, as to whether this is a dog that is quality enough to compete in the conformation ring or a pet quality puppy. It is not so much that they are charging more for the same puppy depending on your intentions, it refers to the individual puppy and if they are able to compete or if they are only of pet quality. A show pup will sell for more than a pet puppy, they may just be inquiring about what your intentions are so they can fit you with the right puppy and price depending on your needs.
I totally agree with Icy. There better be a guarantee of some sort with a show dog that they are doubling the price. I've heard of many that will sell a show prospect at 8 weeks-WHAT! So much can happen as they are growing, that if she would like to invest in a show puppy, have her get one that is older and not to fall for the 8 week old stuff that I've seen people promoting.
You could register with a mediocre registry just to hand out papers for illegal litters. But, most of the contracts I've seen have penalties for not speutering, or using the dog to create a litter. Ususally more than one would make of puppies irresponsibly, let alone responsibly. For most people it isn't worth the potential financial burden if the breeder catches wind of what you've done. But of course you aren't going to hear about all of them, ever.
Thanks all! I let my friend know. I figured you could register with another registry. I am sure that there could be a problem in she has a spay/neuter contract, but that is her butt not mine! I just said I would ask.
As far as hhcchelle I know who you are this is such a joke. I did not even ask about a chihuahua the dog in question is not a chi, but you pick the dog I have? It is so funny why not use your real name, gotta come on here like a new member? Also if you READ she wants to show the dog, spay/neuter is not a option. Though you never read any question I write you just inform me over that my chi needs to be neutered. Get a life! I am so sick of you putting crap in most of my questions about neutering my dog. My dog has nothing to do with this question. I really wish I would've never asked any questions about my dog now that you wont leave me alone about it. Though I am sure you will get on here and say I am not that person I really am a new member. You live for drama. Get a life!
Yes I do agree though if a person spends the money another person should not tell them what to do with the dog. My opinion. That does not make me a bad person, it is the bad people out there that ruin it for the good people.
***Edited By: holidayzbliss on 6/29/2005 1:17:33 PM*** Reason: ...
Okay, I have a big problem with people that buy an AKC limited registration puppy and then just register it with another registry so they can breed. It makes me really mad - and is the reason I won't send people AKC papers until I see proof of neuter - since most registeries want to see AKC papers (even limited ones) in order to prove pure bred status.
The breeder has a right to ask more for the dog. I ask $250 extra for my full registration puppies. WHY? Because my spay/neuter families are also accepting the cost of the spay/neuter when they purchase that puppy. I don't want someone to come back and say "I want full registration because it's cheaper than the neuter". Also, look at it this way - if you breed the dog and sell the puppies you are making money off the dog. Not really fair to the other folks who are spaying and neutering for the same price (that isn't why I ask more - but it does make some sense).
Full registration comes with responsibilities. Show quality puppies are also hard to come by and usually mean that the parents were purchased for a hefty price as well (quality means cost - it just does). The breeder may be marking her spay/neuter puppies (limited registration) down to make them more affordable as pets. This means she is taking it in the shorts to help her families. I can't believe any reputable breeder would give you the papers and not require a spay/neuter.
And who would be that dishonest. The breeder doesn't want the dog bred for goodness sake! Find a breeder that is willing to give you (or your friend) a dog at the price she wants with no strings if you're not happy. Don't screw people over and lie to them just because you can. Your friend may end up looking at a contract she doesn't want to abide by - and if you get a really pissy breeder they might just sue. Save yourself the heartache and find another breeder - or PAY WHAT SHE ASKS!!!! Breeders ask what they do for a reason!!!
So is your "theory" that if a person pays $5 then they get the same rights? Isn't it the person "selling" the thing you are buying's right to decide WHAT they want to sell it for? If your friend pays the full registration price then she CAN do what she wants with the dog! Or find a breeder that doesn't have stipulations! Don't just screw people over! Urgh!
It is a common practice for breeders to charge less for pet quality dogs and put limited registrations on them. My breeder makes you sign a nuter/spade contract for pet quality and she does let the dogs go with limited registrations, their pups can not be registered.
If you are purchasing a show quality dog it is a best guess by a trained eye of the breeder if the dog is going to be show quality or not. The breeder can not say for sure the dog is show quality until about 6 months old.
My breeder kept one dog out of the litter a male that she was intending to keep as a breeder, well this dog fell apart before it was 6 onths old. Too many teeth, over bite, narrow head development etc. Well she had him fixed at 6 months old and sold him as a pet. On the other hand I intended to purchase a pet but was willing to pay show quality price for a quality dog. My dog turned out the best in the litter and is doing very well in the show ring.
My breeder is keeping a close look at my dog's show carear because the day she makes champion it increases the stock in both her mother and father. They are both champions but neither of them have produced a champion off spring.
I charge the same price for my puppies, whether they are show potential or not. The difference is that pups placed as pets are required to be altered and will recieve limited AKC registration. Puppies that go as show prospects will be co-owned by me and they will not be bred until all health testing is completed. All puppies receive a written health contract. And, FWIW, in my breed (Basenjis) an *experienced* breeder can determine show potential by 8 weeks. (Conformation and movement can be assessed though it *is* possible for a bite to change as the pup ages.)
abbylynne - I was not trying to offend anyone, but if I did oh well! I did not intend to do that though. Sometimes it is hard to read how the person is wanting to say the question. Which for me that is all it was just to learn from that was all. I have no intention on showing a dog.
It was for a friend. I do not show or care to EVER show a dog. I do not have the time. She just wondered what would happen if you did go ahead and not spay or neuter. She is not going to or maybe she will, but people do wonder these things. (another point of why get so upset if someone is posting a question to learn not saying they were going to do it!) If she did though that is on her not me. I also wanted to know how much trouble she would get into so I could talk her into NOT buying a dog from that person. I sell my dogs with full registration. I would not tell someone they have to neuter or spay or they cant have pups of their own, but that is my opinion. Like when someone sells a dog because of size or male or female or color that is all the way a breeder wants to sell. Everyone has their own way of selling. I don't think there is a right or wrong way - it is their choice as a breeder. I just think if the person wants to use the puppy for showing or breeding let them do it. Atleast with my dogs I am ok with it.
Not trying to upset anyone. I was just trying to learn.
***Edited By: holidayzbliss on 7/5/2005 3:19:07 PM*** Reason: ...
I think all limited reg is a away that the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. You mean to tell me that the breeder can make money off the person that uses them for breeding rights but whoever buys that puppy can't do the same? Who is to say your the best breeder in the world! What if one of the pups are better looking than the stud you use before? That means you have to keep going back to that person which means they keep making moe money! What a con! If I buy a puppy I should be able to do whatever I want with it. Spay/ net/ or breed its my dog... How can you become a great breeder if you never get the chance? Limit Reg is a hoax!
First of all, this thread is 4 years old and most of the posters are no longer active. Secondly (and more importantly) experienced breeders are able to judge the quality of their pups. Pups who are healthy but not show or breeding quality are sold with limited registrations. The purpose is not because the breeder is greedy, it is to see only the best of the breed used to further the lines.
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