Why is it we always get designer dog lovers using the same line every time. "your pure breed was originally a mutt" or some variation of that.
I am not even going to go into, but you need to research a little better to understand and grasp what dog breeding should be about, and what it should not.
Why is it that they all seem up in arms over having paid top dollar for something they could have got at a shelter? OHHH it's because they DID pay top dollar. Face facts you bought a dog from a scammer, not an ethical breeder. This does not mean that you won't love your dog, or your dog love you. It simply means you supported a breeder who is breeding not to further a breed, because these are not breeds, but to line thier pockets.
i dunno, i guess its just that really when you think about it, a designer mutt breeder, a BYB, and a pet store are all the same.. none of them really care in the end about anything more than some quick cash. Otherwise the mutt wouldn't be priced at over 1000.. having a small mutt is not a 'status' type thing. Being a tech I tend to relate things to computer related issues. When I see people saying they bought their mutt from a breeder I think it's the same thing as say,
Sending around a chain mail that says " by the third person something special will happen." Honestly what do you think is going to happen..?!?! I'm constantly amazed at the fact that people still believe this crap. All I think is 'wow, can't believe you fell for it.'
Its like declaring your sillyness. Just like this whole thread. Sillyness... as usual.
***Edited By: shig on 6/29/2005 10:46:24 AM*** Reason: sp
I'm tired of this argument. Its all been said here, many many times and someone coming in trying to stir the pot is not going to change anyone's opinion about it. If you come on this forum and read things you don't agree with who cares? There are a lot of other threads on here that aren't controversial. And they are very enjoyable. Please enjoy them and stop bashing people just for having an opinion.
Perhaps the people with opinions should stop bashing!
I'm surprised at such arrogant opionions that I've read. Responsible breeders better the breeds??? Who are they? God?
I see it too... bashing those of us who have the Designers luvables... good grief! some of you revert back to the 7th grade mentality... "Stupid names made for a mixed breed." And you also bash the owners of these pets saying "you paid to much money for them", "ALL designer breeders are irresponsible".
It's as insulting as saying "Anyone who owns a PUG has flushed money down the toilet... the breed has endless breathing problems and constantly needs to go the vet all the time." THAT is a blanket statement... IT hurts those who own PUGS but don't have any problems with them and it hurts those who do have problems but love their pets so much that money spent at the vet doesn't even matter.
Hope all your bashing and nonsense makes you sleep better at night. This is gonna become a very old argument in the time that comes because they are growing more popular by the day!
to assume that all designer dogs come from an unresponsible breeder is a very very broad generalization. I am very very sure that there must be some breeders who love and adore the breed.
And just to kind of make a point: I have never seen a designer dog in and shelter that I have ever been in (and I have been all over in the last few months) they've all been the dogs with bad reputations (ie, pitbulls)
"Perhaps the people with opinions should stop bashing! " ----------------------------------------------------------------- I truly hope that you don't consider the opinion I am about to offer bashing. ----------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm surprised at such arrogant opionions that I've read. Responsible breeders better the breeds??? Who are they? God? " ----------------------------------------------------------------- That should be the goal of all breeders-- not to be God, but to better the breed. They should work to produce healthy offspring by doing all necessary health tests on the parents, knowing the lineage of both parents and and health issues, plus just knowing the problems that the breed they are breeding are prone to.
They should breed only dogs who are proven in some way, such as in weight pull or conformation or other competitions, the more the better. This does not mean all of the offspring will be champion pullers, but adds to the likelihood as some will probably inherit the ability.
There's way too much to type here but truly responsible breeders (which are few and far between, in my opinion) do much more than let two dogs mate and love their dogs. I can honestly say that I have never once seen a responsible breeder deliberately breeding mixed breeds. ----------------------------------------------------------------- "I see it too... bashing those of us who have the Designers luvables... good grief! some of you revert back to the 7th grade mentality... "Stupid names made for a mixed breed." And you also bash the owners of these pets saying "you paid to much money for them", "ALL designer breeders are irresponsible". ----------------------------------------------------------------- The money you pay is your business. I would not pay high dollar for a purebred either, because I will not be breeding or showing. So I do the rescue thing. But if I were going to buy a dog, I would be willing to pay more to a responsible breeder rather than supporting an irresponsible one or a BYB or pet store. There are tons of irresponsible BYBs who breed purebreds, but like Minn said, you can search and find a good breeder of any pure breed. Not so with mixed breeds, because responsible breeders do not breed mixed breeds.
I have no doubt that people love and enjoy their "designer dogs" and have seen and met some very cute and sweet ones myself. I have owned and loved mixes. The thing is that when a breeder leads you to believe you are buying a purebred, a new breed, the Pittipoo, they are being deceptive. They are taking a wonderful mixed breed dog, which are generally sold very cheap or even given away, telling customers that it is a pure Pittipoo, even often saying the the breed has no known health issues, when in fact, the "breed" has the same health issues as BOTH breeds that are in the mix. And to boot they are charging more for their Pittipoo because it is a purebred Pittipoo, and not just a pitbull/poodle mix.
***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 6/29/2005 12:22:20 PM*** Reason: asdfasdfasdf
Merideth, I'm sorry you're having such a hard time with local shelters. Perhaps you can do an on-line search for a rescue in your area? Should be able to find something breed specific.
gbroxon, agreed. Not all breeders of purebred breeds are "good" breeders either.
I'm just curious as to how many generations, pup to grandpup on down any of the designer breeders have produced to date? If they're breeding the same mixes through a few breeding pairs, then they still haven't attempted to breed in or out specific traits.
Ok troll....as has correctly been stated numerous times....this topic has been beat to death. You clearly are here to start trouble.....having said that all I am going to surprisingly say is look for the August 2005 issue of Dog Fancy magazine in the next few weeks. It has a very good article on "Designer Dogs, Fad or Forever? Read it & weep! It's very well said. Bottom line is these Dr. Seuss names will unlikely be registered in your lifetime. It explains why mixing without testing parents is so bad, there is NO hypoallergenic dog etc. Nuff said!
I feel like the reason for breeding purebreds is to pass on the lineage and keep the breed standard going strong-and theres already tons of mutts that come through accidents all the time that need homes, why purposely breed mixed dogs? I'm not all "purple passion" about the subject- I love all dogs and respect everyone's personal choice- My own choice is to not buy a designer bred mixed dog.
okay has anyone ever explained to you why specific breeds were created and the purpose of breeding them true ? each Dog breed, pure that is, was created for a specific function. the working breeds were bred to guard livestock from predators, the herding breds were bred to assist shepherds on gathering and moving flock over great distances, sprting Dogs were created to assist hunters in the fields track and retrieve game, toys were bred specifically for companionship. so in each group there are several distinct breeds that fill niches depending on what the individual owners needs are. THOUSANDS of years ago Dogs were mixed with pariah Dogs and neighborhood mutts because there were not the modes of transpotation that is available to us now. so the farmers and shepherds used what was available. after awhile they bred what they had and thus created purebreds. here and there mixing in the beginning what they had with what they needed to develop a Dog that suit thier purpose.
the breeding of the purebred Dog today is NOT about greed unless you are one of the irresponsible breeders who does it only for the money. most do it to preserve the breeds we have for the various functions they perform. GSD'S for versatilty and police work, anatolian shepherds for their capability in guarding livestock.
there may not be as much need in this country for some of these breeds but they are still used in full force overseas for the reasons they were designed and bred. now you want me to believe that crossing these breeds is going to net me the equivalent of one who is purebred ? not likely. unless i take an anatolian and cross it with a great pyrenees then at least i am crossing two breeds with the same functions. then my question is WHY ? why are not the purebred parents good enough at what they do and what is NOT good enough with them that they needed to be crossed ? how on earth is a rottador - two entirely different classes of breeds going to be better then a rottweiler or a labrador ? i have asked many cross breed, or a more accurate description is mutt, what their purpose is in mixing these breeds. the only answer i get is their capability of making fine pets. well then my argument is that there are enough pets born to each quality purebred so there is no need to contuinue to purposely make more pets. i could go on but i think my point has been made several times.
That's very true Scout. And very exhausting, glad you wrote all that. You should keep a copy of that so you can paste that to everyone that asks the same crap. Day after day trying to explain that to these people. I need a vacation from the stupid comments..
I totally understand outcrosses that are intended to resolve specific problems in certain breeds. The recent and surprisingly successful work to create bulldogs without the usual crippling health problems are a good example. I could even sort of understand the logic of the labradoodle, for those who want a lab but can't deal with the shedding. Also, the two are highly intelligent breeds that were originally bred for fairly similar functions, so the resultant offspring may still retain the desirable abilities of the labrador.
But, maybe I'm wrong, but many of these just look like vain attempts to cash in on a fad, rather than an educated attempt to strengthen a preexisting breed or even a serious commitment to a new type. The Schnoodle? Or the Morkie, for which a number of people on this board are apparently searching? I don't get it.
Problem is, labradoodles still don't breed true. Out of designer mutt breeders there are a few responsible labradoodle breeders and a few responsible cockapoo breeders trying to create a new breed.
Labradoodles are still not guaranteed to be low dander. There are various levels out of the puppies still on which ones are closer to lab and which are closer to poodle. In trying to breed the dogs closer to poodle, you have to breed lab back in and the allergiy issues start again. It's getting closer, but it's still not there as a perfected example. Also there are so few trying to do it right, that the good breeders are almost inaccessable to most.
For the majority of designer mutt breedersthey don't try to go about breeding the right way and are bybs.
If they bred dogs over 2 years of age, health tested for everything necessary for the breed, didn't breed on every heat, got the stud tested for canine stds and all the heath tests relevant to his breed, and offered at least a 2 year health guarantee if not life for things like HD which a lot of the good breeders of purebreds do, then by all means buy from them. But there are very very few breeding the right way out there.
No surprise here, but that was WELL said Scout. It always comes down to those who are against this designer breed craze being pure breed snobs. Please understand I have nothing against the dogs. It is not the animals fault that people are using them because they are highly marketable. And if you pay 500,600, 1000 dollars for a Jug, tug, bug, rug, nug, whatever it is then I am sorry you DID get ripped off plain and simple. I will say it again. THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL LOVE THE DOG ANY LESS, NOR THE DOG LOVE YOU ANY LESS. This is the breeders fault for being unethical. And I don't give two turds if there are breeders out there that are breeding these designer mutts, that love thier animals. THEY AREN'T doing it for the animal. And love does not make one a GOOD breeder. Being ethical, responsible, and experienced makes you a good breeder. I absolutely love dogs, but I am not qualified to be a good breeder.
I CHALLENGE any Designer dog lover to show me proof of an ethical, and experienced breeder of these designer dogs. You won't find one, and if you do, with little to no digging I can debunk them. The same is true for Purebreed breeders. They are few and far between but they breed for consistency, improvement, and betterment of the breed. Not to create something with a cute name that Paris Hilton and her pals will market for them. I applaud the designer dog breeders for one thing. Taking advantage of a market that is in HIGH demand. But they only do it for the bottom line.
And before you try to rip apart my post please go back and re-read Scout's post plz. If you still want to rip me a new one because I am a purebreed snob, research some more on breeding dogs. Because you are blinded by the need to defend your purchase of nothing more than a mutt.
1- you probably are designer dude and no one hear is saying mutts don't need loving....their saying they wish there was only responsible breeders out there and people who are not in it for the money....