And Hope does have some bite scars, so I think she may have been a fighting dog, her life before the shelter was not good at all.
Shadow, Hector said herself that Hope may have been a fighting dog. Even if an adult adopted Hope, how could either of you be sure she would never come in contact with a child and really do some serious damage? After the behavior this dog has exhibited I certainly would not trust her. Sometimes it isn't easy to make the right decision, but putting Hope to sleep may be the right thing to do. I doubt anyone really wants to think of that happening. I know I don't.
I'm sorry but I have to agree with Harleys Mom and Cricket here. This dog is a danger to the public. What kind of life is it for a dog that will have live behind lock and key and only with adults. Also it sounds like to me this shelter is setting themselves up for a lawsuit. I know if any dog there bit me or my child and they knew of the dog having an aggresive background I would have them in court so fast it would make their heads spin. There are millions of dogs in the world that need loving and caring homes that would fit in with a family, and they are put down. And then you have a dog like this that is know to be aggresive taking up cage space that a loving dog could use. I say this dog needs to be humanly put down. I have no tolerance for a aggresive dog.
Harleys mom, As far as your post to our younger members....I am a firm believer that if you can't take the heat then get out the kitchen. I saw nothing wrong with your post and feel the same way. :)
***Edited By: cschimizzi on 7/10/2005 11:27:58 PM*** Reason: changed name
First, I think that the young lady who volunteers at a shelter should be CONGRATULATED. It is very hard work and so heartbreaking. You bond with an animal and take its "side" against the world. It is just so hard to realize that not every animal can be saved.
I think that the test should be if the animal is a danger to itself or others. No one can ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE that this dog will NEVER come into contact with dogs, cats or children. I'm just glad that I'm not the person to make the decision about this dog.
Frankly, every volunteer just has to love the animals as they come in and out of the shelter no matter what. Let the administrators of the shelter make the hard decisions and let the volunteers be the angels they are. Even if this dog has to be euthanized eventually, it will have known the love this girl has had to give it. It is a wonderful gift and we should all be grateful for it.
Ok I am going to get on my soap box and tell alittle story about my first dog I got after my ex and I split up. I went to a very large animal shelter. Looked around and feel in love with Abby. A boxer/pit mixed. She was 2 years old. She was great with other dogs, kids, and everyone so they said. Well I brought her home and she was great except for some mild seperation anixety. My kids were visiting with her father at the time. Well my kids came home and Abby greeted my older kids with no problems. My daughter who was 2 at them time walked in and Abby went after her. She ripped a nice gash in the back of her leg. I grabed her and went to put her in her crate and she turned and bit me on the hand. I took her back to the shelter. I not only told them what happened but showed them the damage. They asked me if I was sure I wanted to turn her back in because they would have to put her to sleep. I told them that I couldn't and wouldn't own a dog like that and they had to do what every they had to do. Well I went back to the shelter three days later and Abby was right back out on the floor up for adoption, with a sign that said "too active for small children". I contacted the local DA and took in my daughters doctor bills. She was pts after that. Some of these shelters are out just for money and not the well being of the dog or human they may harm.
Thank you Meg. Yeah the scars possibility of the dog being from dog fights reminded me of that thread and the unadoptibility..
On another board I frequent unadoptable dogs being given up by private individuals has become a large issue. Like a dog with severe agression issues, that the owner lies about.. and then the dog gets dumped at the spca and PTS because it can't pass the behaviour tests.
It's currently a touchy subject that about 75% of members kind of agree that there are dogs with fewer issues doomed to live in shelters forver, that making an attempt to rehabilitate a dog with a lesser chance of being 'fixed' isn't necessarily worth while..
And 25% or so think that every animal should have time and money poured into it with behaviourists and such.
But I kind of see the point of why try to rehabilitate a dog that may not be 'fixable' when there really are dogs that have fewer problems who may live their entire lives in a cell somewhere..
Most shelters will not adopt out a dog that bites people, or has bitten people. It is good that nobody has been seriously injured by Hope, but sticking one's hand in the cage is hardly provocation. And she was in a cage. Had she not been, (such as at a new owner's home) the situation may have been more serious. And the pastor was an adult. Which leads me to say that though she may be okay with some people, that she is not reliably safe with kids, dogs, cats, or adults. Very sad, especially when she has become a friend... But not really a lot of options in a case such as that.
I do see a misconception here about fighting dogs, however. Dogs raised to fight are often still very good with people. They were not raised to fight PEOPLE, but in fact to NOT bite people even when worked up and in pain. Some can even be perfectly fine with other dogs.
When they are raised to be guard dogs (which is against the very nature of a pit bull) and trained to be aggressive toward people is when there is a much greater propensity towards biting people. Particularly when you consider the methods that some lowlife people use to make them people aggressive, like beating them with boards with nails in them. Of course, those same people are probably more than happy to also fight their dogs.
***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 7/11/2005 12:01:12 AM*** Reason: afdjaetjate
I would like to add one more thing I emailed the shelter and asked them what they are going to do with her and they didn't respond. But I found this in Hopes profile "she is a great dog with those she knows – she will just crawl in your lap and give you kisses." And I have seen her do that to the volunteer that wants to foster her.
don't you wish we could all be idealistic and naive always? then world would be rose colored all the time.
i aggree with the members who say the dog needs to be PTS. a dog that bites UNPROVOKED is a danger to all around it. i can assure you that if it was my child that they would have her pts that day, i will not have or be around a dog that bites unprovoked. the legal issuses are too great to even risk as well as the moral issue to the dog hurting someone. i also could care less about what breed it is be large or small. if the county officals (ie> sheriff, DA, mayor, ect... ) then they will FORCE the shelter to put the dog to sleep, because of the legal risk. they county/city can not afford that liability. no matter how "innocent" the bites were. also the shelter can be in violation of child endangerment laws for allowing minors to work with animals known to bite or that have bitten inside the shelter.