Ok, I need to voice my opinion on certain things that have come about in this forum. I have heard many a different stories about everybody's pets, different breeds, shapes, sizes, attitudes, etc, etc... I am not trying to offend anyone, this is just the way I feel, so here goes...
My boyfriend and I were talking the other day about what would happen if our dog, Jesse, was ever attacked by a Pitbull. The conversation started because we hear about it almost everyday, I person, or dog, gets mauled by Pitbull. I immediately told him that I would do whatever it took to get that dog to let go of my beloved pet. I would even go as far as hurting the other dog if that were an option. I'm not one to judge a person, nor an animal, but personally, and this is MY honest opinion which I am allowed to voice, am not a fan of Pitbulls.
I have personally seen what these dogs can do given the chance. I work at a boarding kennel and there's a reason why my boss doesn't take in Pits or AmStaffs anymore. It cost her 800$ to get a little white dog fix and put back together after a Pit attacked him after his owner's were bragging about how social and friendly he was with other dogs. It only took a split second, a pull on the leash and he was loose and attacking the poor little guy! These dogs were bred to fight people, and you can't breed that out of them, no matter how much you try!
I'm sorry to be saying this, and yes, I've seen all the links to websites promoting the breed's behavior and what a great pet it can be, but I've also seen what a danger it can be if it did the total opposite! I don't see why there is such a thing as BSL, I think there should just be by-laws that make it so that Pits and AmStaffs should be wearing muzzles when walking out in public like there is in my town. Also, those particular breeds should not be allowed to be in off-leash dog parks, again, like in my town. I find this an amazing by-law and for the most part, it's followed by Pit owners (that I'm aware of).
I'm not saying that every Pitbull is mean, agressive and will bite somebody's head off, but you have to admit, they are ALL capable of doing it and like I mentioned earlier, given the chance, alot of them would.
Again, this is just my honest opinion and am allowed to voice and express it as is everybody else. Please, if you have anything to add or say, don't be shy. I don't want to make this thread into an argument, I just wanted to let you know how I feel about the breed and it's capabilities. I know the members on this forum are responsible owners and would never allow this to happen, but again, it CAN HAPPEN. You never know when to expect a situation to arise for a dog to start being agressive, even mine.
Pit Bulls yes by nature are animal aggressive through many gerenrations of being bred for dog fighting.Pit Bulls should never be human aggressive,this is not a breed trait.Through many generations of being bred for dog fighting and having to be handled in the pit human aggressive dogs where culled, creating extremely friendly towards humans.A lot of these dogs now are over bred.Way too many breeders not breeding to breed standard, just breeding for fads and charging a lot of money.Then you have owners who just want a macho dog, to have a tough extention of him self.Then there's owners to who truly love their dogs,but don't know enough about the breed and incidents happen.It's not the dogs fault,just stupid owners and bad breeders.Pit Bulls love their humans, but many do not do well in social situations with other dogs.
I'm not for banning a dog breed. I know it depends on how the dog's environment is. They are enough other kind of dogs who will bite too, when the environment was bad. Just watch Animal Cops or Animal Precinct.
Anyway I just wanted to tell you; in Germany they have that law. Any bigger dog has to wear muzzle or you'll pay a hefty fine.
Germany also has animal tax. The tax is different for the size of the dog. Basically for a smaller dog you’ll pay less tax and for the bigger dog higher tax. When I remember correctly, if the dog is a pit bull the tax is even higher.
The signaling out of the breed was, because of too many dog bites, which happened to be pit bulls. You know how media is, "pit bull attacked again" and so on, well in few cities it worked and the breed got banned or taxed higher.
***Edited By: dachshund on 7/13/2005 6:34:47 AM*** Reason: forgot something
It doesn't bother me if pit bulls aren't your favorite breed. The breed you own (and I honestly can't recall what it is at this time) might not be my favorite either, and that's okay.
However, requiring all pit bulls to be muzzled in public IS BSL. Legislation that is specific to a particular breed. Manson and I, along with many other good people, opposed this very actively when it came up in my state, and the law didn't pass! Missy was too sick to go, plagued with a brain tumor and soon to free the world of one more pit bull.
Your opinion is yours to have, but when you use it to help get laws passed that infringe on my freedom and affect my life, then I am no longer amused. It would be ludicrous for me to have to have my dogs muzzled while leashed with me on a walk! Yeah, whew, you'd be safe from the vicious Manson and Bosco (whoa! you could rest easy then!), but to think that Joe Blow drug dealer would go out and buy muzzles for his pack of abused man-biters is naive and foolish. I don't hate you for your opinion, but as long as I live you and anyone else who supports BSL will have to deal with relentless and passionate opposition from me when trying to pass a law that singles out a whole breed. Thank God many of us who know and love the pit bull also posess the same drive and determination that we admire so in our dogs.
Instead we suggested a dangerous dog law, which would apply to ALL breeds. It would punish the dogs and owners who bit or attacked, or were running loose disregarding leash laws (which already exist and should be followed by all owners, not just pit owners). It is irrational and counter-productive to make laws applying to a whole breed, while doing nothing to prevent dogs of other breeds (and *gasp* other breeds are also capable of injuring people or animals!).
Why not support laws that punish the individual dogs or owners who are the problem-- it would take care of the many incidents involving dogs that are NOT pit bulls as well as any pit bull incidents, while not penalizing someone like myself or my dogs, who are not, never have been, and never will be a threat to others? Or is it only pit bull incidents that we want to stop? When other breeds bite, attack animals, or run loose, it's okay?
***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 7/13/2005 7:55:37 AM*** Reason: asdfasdf
These are not rare special uncommonly friendly pit bulls. I could fill a page with links to pits who do charitable work. (But you guys don't want me to do that, after all, I already wrote a friggin book on this thread LOL)
***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 7/13/2005 9:38:52 AM*** Reason: sdgwdfyhewrhyu
Anyway, if a dog is on a leash per the existing laws, a muzzle is not necessary. If someone's unleashed dog runs up to a leashed one, it is the fault of the person who did not have their dog leashed. Small dog owners are not exempt from leash laws.
***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 7/13/2005 10:42:01 AM*** Reason: asdfasdf
If we look at statistics more small dogs try to bite then big ones.
I will not have my dogs muzzled in public. Fat lot of good they will do when someone attacks me.
I have a large breed dog and I have children throw themselves on my dogs in public. Prehaps I should suggest people attach leashes to their children. Because of this "problem" I have to socilize my dogs to children and train them to handle a situation they should never have to deal with. A small child should never come careening around the corner at petsmart and slam into my dog at full speed knocking both my dog and the child to the floor. But it happens and my dogs better be calm about it or I will get screamed at.
As it has been said over and over the owners need to be punished, fined and everything else. Hit them in their pocket book and maybe it wont be so cool.
I just read that, my mistake. You can't just make one breed where a muzzle , single out one breed. Each dog owner must take responsibility for his or her dog. Bsl does not work.Each dog bite case should be taken on a case by case basis . Not punish one breed as a whole for what a few dogs may have done.It's not the dogs ,it's the owners.Lastly I would never make my dogs wear a muzzel on a walk.
I never said that only Pits should be wearing muzzles. RED, I own a Swedish Elkhound, not a dog that is bred to be dog-to-dog agressive, but she is and I don't know why, has been since she was a pup and we've tried EVERYTHING to try and get her to stop but we can't and we are living with it. I'm not spending another 200-300$ for a trainer, who doesn't know what he's doing, to try and train it out of her. It's not going to work, never has, never will. We are taking precautions with her by putting a muzzle on her when we go for walks for the simple fact that I don't want her to have the chance to bite another dog if some stupid owner who has their dog off-leash lets his dog come up to her and starts something. With her having a muzzle on, it assures me that I can pick her up should the need arise and she won't bite me either. She is totally social with people and especially children. She grew up with my premature born niece who was 4 months premature and when she came home with her parents, my dog was there with her from the start. She would let that little one do anything to her, and God forbid if another dog would try and come near the stroller, Jesse would protect her with her life.
BSL will eventually be everywhere, there's no doubt about that. Pits are not allowed in Ontario unless you owned them before the law became, and that's fine by me. I have my entire family living in that province including 4 nephews and 2 nieces and I wouldn't want them being hurt by any breed of dog. I'm not saying that only Pits are wearing muzzles here, if any dog is deemed as agressive, meaning they have either bit another animal or a person, they need to have a muzzle wherever they go or be on leash at all times (and I actually think it's both at the same time). I am totally PRO that. I don't want some vicious dog running around loose and given the chance attack my family or my dog, no way in heck!!
Also, the law about Pits not being able to go to the off-leash dog park is also an excellent example. Would you want a dog that apparently WAS bred (some are still) to be in dog fights at the dog park "playing" with your precious pets and all of a sudden, out of the blue, he doesn't like the way things are going and takes a chunk out of your dog? I sure wouldn't. No dog should ever be agressive, not towards animals or people, but if they should happen to be, then YOU as the owner, should take responsibility for their actions and prevent those actions from happening. Again, not trying to start an argument, a riot, a fight or anything, just saying what I believe in and my safety and the safety of my family is my number 1 priority.
I don't take my pits to off-leash dog parks. I imagine that since you are responsible you don't take your Elkhound there either... Because we are responsible we really don't need a law to tell us that. I don't think off-leash dog parks are a safe idea anyway. Was very disappointed when I went to a regular park with Bosco on-leash and other people's dogs were loose and jumping all over him. (He did very well, was friendly and happy.)
I am curious how a ban on pit bulls or a requirement for them to wear muzzles help to keep your family safe? Why is this better than punishing owners who allow their dogs to run loose or whose dog bites or attacks? A leashed dog cannot run up and attack you or yours.
***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 7/13/2005 12:13:44 PM*** Reason: asdfasdf