I must have the unluckiest friends because everything bad is always happening to them!
I helped my friend bath her new dogs that she got from a retiring breeder. They were COVERED with fleas. We did the flea bath and then powder and then flea preventative. I went over to her house this morning to check to see how she is doing. She is freaking out because she has other dogs and never had fleas. I have never had fleas either so I can feel her pain. All the other dogs are in seperate areas though so I don't think they will get infected. Well I went to look at the dogs and I found 1 or 2 fleas (maybe more) still alive on 1 dog! I did not check all the dogs. What do you think she should do? Should she rebath them? I did not know what to tell her. What is good to use to get rid of fleas? They are not leaving!
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ivydragonn Thanks this is great! Do you know where to get it? Do you use the dust on the dogs also, or just on the floor? Once you tell me I am telling her to RUN RUN RUN to whatever store you think will carry it! Is it safe for expecting moms? Just so we know incase it ever happens again!
Oh and you just sweep it around the room? Should you wear a mask? When can you let the dogs back in?
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I'm going to look for it too, my Mom went to a show a month ago and brought them back like crazy! We have been lucky this year, last year we had a serious infestation and coulf find nothing to work really well. We also bought some Adama yard spray for out in the runs. What spot on treatment did you use? I think Frontline is one of the best, but spendy, I was going to try Bio Spot, but have heard alot of bad stuff about it on this forum with reactions, etc, and the store bought brands Hartz, etc have never done a thing for me
You shoudl definitely not retreat the dogs. You can literally poison them by putting too much flea medication. With flea powder, shampoo and preventative they are probably borderline poisoning right now.
What flea preventative did you use? If you ddn't use a *REAL* treatment like frontline or Advantage/advantix you are probably going to have reoccuring fleas.
It's quite likely that when she brought hte dogs onto her property, the fleas jumped off them and are now trying to get back on the dogs. SHe needs to immediately work on treating her yard and house. Head to a home and garden store or walmart and get insecticide granules or spray that stops fleas and use it in the yard. Vacuum the house thorougly. Wash all the bedding. Wash the bedding every few days in fact, and vacuum every single day.
If the fleas are still seriously bothering the dogs in a day or two, rebathe them in a Normal shampoo (it will still kill the fleas). In about 2 weeks, it should be safe to put Advantage, advantix or frontline on the dog.
Minniyar Yeah she just used a cheap I think seargents flea preventative. I only checked one dog and saw maybe 2, but lots of dead ones. It said on the shampoo you can redo it in 7 days. She was going to do that, but I will tell her just to bath them regular. Can you put flea stuff down now on the ground around their area or is that still to much flea stuff? Just so they don't jump off and lay eggs or something? I don't know much about fleas so I am not sure if they will do that.
Aside from being sbsorbed into the dogs skin, and possibly bloodstream if there are cuts or scratches, I would also be afaid that the dog could also inhale the dust. it. I would much rather stick to something like Advantix or Frontline as as Minnevar mentioned and not risk injuring or poisoning my dog. What are you supposed to do when your pet starts licking or biting himself?
Just be cause the packaging says it safe, you shouldn't believe everything you read. Hartz Flea Killer for cats also said it was safe, and now Hartz is taking it off the market to reformulate it because of the deaths it caused.
I think washing with Dawn is the better choice and then a dose of Frontline or Advantix.
She is going to go buy the dust stuff for the ground and some dawn dish soap? for shampoo for them in a few days. I think she is giong to go buy that good flea preventative minni listed. Can she put that on(preventative) in a few days or no? I think you said yes. Great thanks all if you know any other tricks let me know! We are going to fix these dogs up and give them a good home like they deserve! You should've seen them they were in bad shape! I am glad to help someone help dogs!
>>....... it is no more toxic then using a company that comes into your home to spray for a flea or roach problem. Or a flea/ roach bomb. Of course you have to watch your pet and/or children as with any and all pesticides. I do not put it ON my pets.. simple saying the package stated you could. I do use it around my home Inside and out. Minimally.
It also Kills Ticks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 4 post below: Mafia... I agree it is toxic.. Again… though same as all pesticides.... there is always a health risk with anything used that is a chemical. Be it to pet or human. Use all of these type of products cautiously, and minimally.
[ I am aware of EPA.. used to work for them :) ]
Oh ,and my vet uses it as well. Many other vets use it too that I spoken too.
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I used to "dust" my white german shepherd with Sevin dust every summer because the flies would bite her ears while she was outside. It never did anything to her. I made sure I didn't get it around her mouth or eyes. You can use it on your carpets, pet bedding and yard. It's also great for dusting your flowers and plants to keep bugs from eating them.
Thanks everyone this is great! Thanks to all of you she went and purchased the seven dust! We are both going to go over it and use it in her home. I want to see what to do if this ever happens to me! We are going to take the dogs out of their area and dust it down and then we were going to wait a hour while we sat outside with the dogs. Then we were going to let them back in the house and also into their crates at night when that time comes. Do you think that is ok? Then in a week she is going to use the dawn soap to give them another bath. She is not going to deflea with a preventative till next month. I hope that all works! Let me know if that is ok to do like that. I will not be going over there till about 3 in the afternoon tomorrow.
I am just going to point this out once since I am beyond horrified.
Sevin is an INCREADIBLY TOXIC pestacide. It is a neurotoxin!
Using it on carpet or your dog is an extremely horrible idea.
Breathing it in may cause cancer for you and your pet.
Please use something from the vet that is topical that won't kill you both.
The studies using sevin as a pestacide are frightening. Using it in your home and on your pet omg.....
"At issue is the widespread use of Sevin, a commercial insecticide that acts as a deadly neurotoxin, and is in fact closely related to nerve gas used in biological warfare. While Sevin has been, moderately effective in controlling beetle, populations that feed on new poplar growth, it, remains active in the,,, environment for an,,, unusually long time—" http://www.bouldercountybeekeepers.org/inthenews/pesticidemisuse.shtml
"PRECAUTIONARY STATEMENTS: HAZARDOUS TO HUMANS AND DOMESTIC ANIMALS. CAUTION: Harmful if swallowed. Causes eye irritation. Avoid contact with eyes, skin and clothing."
Ok thanks all again. I just checked with my friend and sent her a link to all of this. She just pointed out that the thing with the bee's is seven xlr plus not the seven 5 dust. Also I mentioned to her that her and her dogs could get cancer and she mentioned back that it says if you use it over a period of a lifetime (thousands of applications) then you have a higher risk. She is only going to use it once and that is it. She is not putting it on the dogs. She is putting it on the cement in the basement where the dogs are staying since they have the fleas she does not want her other dogs infested that is why they are in the basement for right now. The dogs in the basement have loads of blankets and it is nice there it is more of a rec room. Just so no one thinks she is mistreating them.
I guess last question then . . . The only thing she is concerned about is do you vacuum it up off the floor after a hour or do you leave it on the floor since it is in her house on cement? It did not say. I think she should vacuum. She is also using a face mask and will not allow the dogs in the room till after a hour or longer to clean it out.
Next week she is going to use dawn dish soap on them for one last bath. Thanks again to everyone. I am just glad it is not in my home!
Me personally I would be a little afraid to use it. She did say to let everyone know that she does not think it is safe to use on a daily basis, but one time should be ok. It is her dogs and house so I guess her choice.
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You need to frontline them and they should be fine and you cant frontline and then bath them there has to be at least 5 days in between you also need to treat the house i use salt if you have carpet. it works sounds strange but it works apply to carpet and let it work its way in and vaccume the next day I do this at the start of every season I leave it on my carpet 2 days and then vaccume never had a flea in my house and I always frontline every month.........good luck
Eucalyptus oil can kill dust mites and fleas--common sources of allergic reactions. The oil is also a natural flea repellent.
Salt~ If there are fleas in carpets, sprinkle with salt. It gets a bit tacky if you walk on it barefoot, but...better than the fleas and you can vaccuum in a cay or two with no toxins having been used.
Remember, fleas can live for over a YEAR without a host, so you need to make sure they are out of the home and yard. Over treating the poor dogs will accomplish nothing other than making them ill if the yard and home still have fleas or flea eggs.
Ok now with this salt . . . do you have to get it into every corner in the room? She was going to salt her house in certain areas also since she did not want to apply that seven stuff to the carpet. She should salt leave it for 2 days and then vacuum. Got it. Guess just need to know if she has to get into every corner or move everything out of a room to do it?