Hello- I am new to the forum. I just have a question, I have a 3 Yr. old Female German Shepard and a 2 Yr. old Male German Shepard, My female is registered AKC while my male is ACA. What registry would the puppies be under? Thank you *LuvMyPooch*
LuvMyPooch Same thing happened to me! I had to go with ACA. There is nothing wrong with ACA. Actually AKC charges so much and in my opinion is not that great. People just go with it since they have been around the longest. My opinion, but when I get AKC pups I don't even register them with AKC they are just to expensive. I know I will hear AKC does all this testing crap, well I don't care not for me. Why should I spend 32 some dollars for a pedigree when I can go to another registry and pay 10? Then to register litters is insane! I made the mistake of registering with AKC with all my dogs. The mistake was it was to expensive. Just my opinion, but I don't show dogs so I really don't need a expensive registry.
I think of it as clothes you can buy the name brand that is 50 or more dollars for a pair of jeans or spend 20 and get the exact same thing that sometimes is made even more sturdy.
Just choosing the least expensive registry sounds a little shady. It is not a pair of jeans your keeping but dogs. People don't go with it because its been around the longest but because that seems to be the only registery with an hint of respect. You only pay ten dollars for a registery because they don't care. Plain and simple. But you can use the registery because its your right and i'm sure people still buy your pups but i wouldn't get a dog thats breeders went for the lesser registery. But thats just my opinion.
I go with the other registry's because I have heard a lot of problems with AKC from a lot of my breeder friends. Plus I don't pay anything to register a litter. I have never registered a litter (because I have never had one), but if I ever do have puppies I know I will not pay for the litter registration.
Shady? Listen I am so far from shady how can you judge and say I am shady because I don't agree with your oh so perfect AKC? My point with the jeans was they are made the exact same way (like the registry's) one just charges more because they are the "name brand" registy. Does not make them better. I was not saying dogs are like jeans I was writing about the registry. Oh and I was not just picking the least expensive registy. I have my dogs triple registered and I do pay for it. Having them triple registered is almost the same amount as just having AKC! I triple register them so if I ever have puppies I can let the buyer pick what registry to go with, and if they really wanted AKC my dogs can be AKC. I just chose not to go with them.
Again I don't have any show dogs, and even if I did other registry's have shows for dogs so I would still probably not go with AKC. I look at AKC as a stuck up registry that thinks they are better then all the others. If they are so great then why does half the people I know complain about them? Oh and don't even think of calling my friends byb or puppymills that seems to be the quick answer to anything that some people on here say if you don't think is right. That is just something that is mean and hurtful. You cant say someone is a byb or puppymill just because they have a different opinion, or that they are shady because they do not agree with you.
Like I said my opinion and I like the other registry's when I did join AKC they got the names on my papers all wrong my address was spelled incorrectly and I went through a few months of telling them they did it wrong before I even got a new paper with the correct info. The other registry's have never done that to me. Luckily I photocopy everything and had proof to what I sent AKC because they wanted to charge me again to fix the papers! I guess I had a bad experience.
***Edited By: holidayzbliss on 7/26/2005 1:22:34 PM*** Reason: ...
Not that I read all of your reply yet but I did not call YOU shady. I wouldn't buy from someone that registered there dogs with a registery I think is shady because to me it makes them look shady. With all I have heard about the other registerys nothing will likely change my mind. I realize some people can't afford the extra fifteen bucks but to me thats a reason not to breed.
ANd my point is that I would NEVER buy from a breeder that did anyhting other than AKC because any dog that I'm not rescueing will come from someone who has poured their heart and soul into the breed and thats hard to do with a registery that doesn't have real shows or just takes some pictures as an acceptence that the dog is a purebreed. I'm sure you could be a fine breeder but without the extra work I would not buy from you. I'm sure there are plenty of people that don't care about the registery though thus why the others are around. oyu gave your reasons and thats fine. Just remember that there are people that are going to be turned off by the fact that you use antoher registery and if you are really behind it you can't get all offended by that. You may have had a problem with the AKC but a lot of other people have not and even if they have they may still think its worth it to be able to show there dog and have a pedigree that means something.
***Edited By: joce on 7/26/2005 1:39:05 PM*** Reason: g
I don't know I haven't checked out the other registristy, but if someone tells me they went with so and so because it was cheaper and that was the only reason then I wouldn't get a dog from them.
To me that excuss is just because they are in it for the money and don't want to spend anymore then they think they have to.
Now if they give me good reasons other then the price thing then I would listen and make my decision, but if it all comes down to money then I wouldn't even bother talking to them.
If they are going to skimp on the dogs pedigree and registration then what else are they going to think is too much money and not do.
just my opionion.
I just think the bottom line is that you have to be happy with who you choose to buy your puppy from. If you find a breeder you really like and they do the things they should do then does it matter where your dog can and can't be registered. Unless you are thinking of breeding or showing then I would definatly stick to AKC, UKC or CKC (canadian).
Mostly because with the other registries how far back can you really reasearch your dogs family tree.
They may not really have an impact on your dog or your breeding, but it is nice to see that you can trace your dog back to so and so. Just like people they always get exceted when they look at their family tree and find they are decendents of royalty or something along those lines. It realy has no bearing on todays life, but they like to brag about it anyway.
But if you are happy with the registry you are using or your breeder is using then go with it. Just don't use or let them use money as the excuss.
***Edited By: langniappe on 7/26/2005 2:10:06 PM*** Reason: edit
I get all of your opinions and I did not get offended I just want people to understand that not everyone agrees with AKC and that it is ok. I have just seen on here when people do not agree they are all of a sudden called a puppymill. I do spend a lot on my dogs. Like I said I have them triple registered which is like just having just AKC. I just like the idea of the triple register than just one. If someone really wanted AKC I could register my dogs with them and get them their paper. I do get very into discussions because I do have a different opinion than the majority on here and I am not afraid to voice it. I guess my thing about the money was that. That I could register with 3 registry's and that they cost the same as AKC which then to me seems that AKC is really expensive. I am not upset or anything I just really voice my opinion and I feel very confident in the decisions I make. I was always the person that was not afraid to stand up to the majority and be different if I thought it was right. I was always good at debate. Sorry cant help it! : )
p.s. Thanks pope1982 I was starting to feel alone on this! Glad to hear I am not the only one out there!
***Edited By: holidayzbliss on 7/26/2005 2:04:14 PM*** Reason: ...
Unles your vet is a specalist they can not say that all of those things are normal by a physical exam. A dog may seem normal have displastic hips. Patella luxate out at a year of age. Thyroids may be incorrect and the problems are not yet showing, a cardialogist must do the heart check and now all dogs VWD but there is a test that must be sent off for that as well.
There are a number of reasons besides $$$ that people choose a registry other than AKC. For a short time AKC wanted Social Security numbers on the back of papers from the breeder and buyer. Along with others who fear ID theft, we refused to give this information. AKC no longer asks for this. BUT--AKC has uses personal information for resale--for both advertising and political reasons. Some AKC member clubs are now refusing to send too much personal membership information and demanding to know what AKC does with it. Where a dog is registered is of less importance than the breeder who is producing that dog. For more information on this subject, do a GOOGLE on PAWS BILL.
Ok a lot of people say they go with ACA because AKC is to expensive.
If what pope said is the norm how are they cheaper.
It cost $15.00 to register with ACA and $15.00 to register with AKC so that is a wash they are the same price.
Now though for the breeder to register with AKC they have to pay to do so. Acorrding to holiday it doesn't cost to register the litter with ACA.
So it seems to me that either the breeder has to pay extra with AKC or the new puppy owner has to pay extra with ACA.
From what pope said if I got a dog that was registered with ACA.
I would make the breeder pay for my first vet visit. I mean the only way to know that the tyroids, kidney, and liver is to OK is to have blood and lab work done. Then to properly know about the hips, elbows and knees your going to have to have them x-rayed.
You know how much that cost. It is going to run a lot more then getting your litter registered with AKC.
Of course what does the breeder care they aren't fitting the vet bill are they.
Plus I don't pay anything to register a litter. I have never registered a litter (because I have never had one), but if I ever do have puppies I know I will not pay for the litter registration.
Then you go on to say:
Like I said I have them triple registered which is like just having just AKC. I just like the idea of the triple register than just one. If someone really wanted AKC I could register my dogs with them and get them their paper.
You said that you never have had to register a litter then you go on to say you triple register them and can get AKC if someone wanted them.
Was also wondering which other registries you are using?
I have my breeding dogs triple registered. I am waiting till they are old enough to breed that is why I never had a litter. (I want to wait till they are 2 years old) ACA does charge to get litter papers. CKC does not. ACA is nice though you don't pay to much to register a litter and you can go ahead and get a pedigree right away for the buyer so that saves money and time for the buyer. I was just saying when I have a litter that is what I am going to do. All my dogs did come with AKC papers, but I never registered them with AKC just my choice. If the buyer wants or has to have AKC I will register those dogs with AKC, but the buyer is responsible for the cost of registering the breeding dogs and the puppy (I may pay half depending on the situation). I may even not do that since it is going to be more of a hassle to set that up and wait for the paperwork. I do not know yet if I will or wont do that. I am new at this and I am nowhere near having puppies. I am just learning and setting up as I go along. No one really wants papers from what I hear for a pet dog. I will not have show dogs so the chance of someone wanting AKC from me is slim to none. This is all in the works for the future.
Hope that makes some sense?
***Edited By: holidayzbliss on 7/26/2005 5:55:35 PM*** Reason: ...
I'm not saying this is the case with any of you, but it seems, that in the past, people that are breeding their dogs and saying they won't register with AKC, usually the case is, either their bitch or stud dog that they used was of limited registration with AKC.
In other words you cannot register a resulting puppy from that litter, due to the fact that the breeder you bought either the sire or bitch from did not want you to produce puppies with that dog.
Maybe that will clear up some of the confusion about "other" registeries.
There are even registeries that will register a non-purebred dog with them. What is the sense to that? Register any dog off the street, just to raise money for the registry company?
To me, those registration papers aren't worth the paper they are printed on.
For the information of the person wishing to breed their Shepard, and to all prospective breeders. unless your dog is not just a purbred, but tested for all genetic diseases your particular breed carrys....OD NOT BREED. It is the pet breeders who tend to bring into this world animals with genitic defects, because they are not aware of the lines there dogs have, and the animals they wish to breed may be carriers of any one or more inherited problems. In many states you are responsible for genetic problems in a puppy you may sell to an unsuspecting buyer. Has your Shepard been tested for VWD? (von Willabrands Disease? Do you know you can breed a l bunch of pups that have this disease and cause pain to a family or person that loses their loved dog from it. It is a bleeding disorder, and if 2 dogs with the gene for it are mated they can produce puppies with the disease. The same applies to Hip Dyslpasia. This is a crippling disease and gets progressive as the dogs age. Are you ready to accept the cost of replacing an ill pup? will you take back a pup that your bitch produced and refund not only the cost of the pup, but the vet bills incured? You as a breeder have to accept the responsibility for the animals. As to registry. Stick with the American Kennel Club. They will require geetic testing if you are a frequent breeer, but they are the first american kennel club. Tye have the respect of teh other countrys and have information and breeder help. This new one is a sham to make money, not respect the buyers, nor the sellers. Read up on your breed, befor you mate