Breeders!! Decent breeders. We need to start posting about bad buyers. We work so hard to raise good puppies for people to love and bring happiness to there lives. Buyers are so nice and tell you how wonderful you are to let them get one of your puppies. Then one thing happens, they run to slander and put you down, Never telling the whole story. I think there is so much out there to buyers to be careful about breeders and dont get me wrong... That is a good thing!! But what is out there to show the breeders (the people that raises your sweet loving pet and puts there hard work into a litter to make it possible for you to have this little bundle of joy to love and be with you) about bad buyers? Bad buyers: I am not talking about ALL BUYERS - It's People who don't take care of there dogs - People who don't have knowledge on the dog they are buying making it easy to blame the breeder on any complications, etc:
There is no perfect person and no perfect dog!! Decent breeders should not be scard to come on these talk forms, When we know we do our best and even if there is a problem with papers being late or tied up longer than expected, gets lost in the mail, or the puppy has a health problem. These things happen!! do you blame your mom or dad if you find out you have a health problem? It happens and all we can do it expect the buyer to do there part so we can do ours . There are two sides to a sale .
Breeders - I know there are going to bed bad remarks and people slandering me us on this one! That's what they love to do. Sometimes I think it's their way of getting frustrations out in there own home, with their own problems... Alot of people don't know all the hard work and how many years of dedication you put into making your kennel what it is. So if someone wants to slander you, they are ignorant (not knowing) to what it takes to become a reputable breeder. Sometimes I wish we can take a few of these people and put them in our shoes for one day! Then hear them complain!
Such as: Welping a litter (which you may be there for hours), the 8wks of care needed for mom and babies until they are ready to go, the cleaning, feeding & watering, grooming, health (including shots, worming, vet checks), all the hours you spend with buyers that do ask questions and helping them learn about caring for their puppy before they take it home, dealing with bad buyers, etc. That's just the beginning of what a breeder has to go through...
Be proud of being a good breeder! You know you are doing your best to make your kennel as good as you can and doing what you enjoy! Don't let people bring you down buy slandering you, accusing you of lies, or putting down you kennel in any way. We don't get the credit we deserve.
I think "Bad Buyers" is something that needs to be talked about more. I get so tired of hearing EVERYTHING negative being directed toward the breeder. Don't let buyers making you feel like being a breeder is a bad thing. Don't be affraid to stand up for you and your kennel!!!
Not to be rude but isn't it YOUR job as a good breeder to fully investigate who you sell the dog to? Do you do home checks? Do you check references? Are you selling these dogs over the net long distance?
I do rescue and I can honestly say it's VERY difficult to get a dog from me and it can take weeks even if I have a dog available. I visit their home, I talk to their vet, check three references etc.. I also do follow up visits and will take back the dog at anytime, I help with training as well.
You are the breeder, only you are responsible for who you choose to sell a dog to.
Don't blame a buyer on something that usually can be prevented, in all my years I have only adopted to one 'bad' home that passed all the checks and really it wasn't that bad compared to other situations.
You choose to breed these dogs I personally think it's up to you to be 100% responsible for who you choose to sell them to as well I pray they are all ID'd in your names so that IF they ever show up in a shelter or rescue you take them back.
Breeding is a serious responsibility and I couldn't imagine, as I rescue which is different and has different challenges, but the reason I have to rescue is because there are too many irresponsible breeders out there, not calling you one but there are more than this earth needs.
I was going to say the same thing as mamamia.. One of the very most important ( and time-consuming) things about being a breeder is the process of deciding who your puppies go to. It's the breeder's responsibility to make sure the person the dog is going to knows about the breed, knows about training, care, any health issues. I would say that unannounced home checks are a nesessity. As a breeder, you know that there are some people that will say what you want to hear to get a dog, so it is of utmost importance to check, check, check! If for no other reason than that you care about your puppies.
CHECK and do not sell to "bad buyers!" That's an integral part of being a breeder.
***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 7/26/2005 11:14:38 PM*** Reason: qrtqt
This goes both ways. And this is what I was saying as well. if the buyer does not do there home work on the breeder .then they should never buy and if they do then they should not complain .
As for checking out the buyer. Yes to a point but sorry you can not go to every state to some ones home .We are not social workers. Rescueing dogs is great .I do it my self and I have had some people get mad because I did not let them have the dog or puppy. This is part of the problem why I am getting slandered on hear because I would not let some one have one of my babies.
this should provoke a good discussion. keep personal names out of it and it will be allowed to stay. given the history of your previous threads and those of others this will be your one and only warning.
Oh no. I think this post is going to flair everything that was just deleted right back up.
However, to a point I agree with what is said by the previous poster. It is the breeder's responsibility to make sure that a potential home is in fact the Right home. No one else can be blamed for when you fall short on that. I think it is also your or any breeder's responsibility to be fully responsible for that pup or dog for it's entire life. Not just up until the money exchanges hands. The breeder caused this life to be brought into this world so it is their responsibility to make sure it is properly cared for until it leaves it. Not just that but it is the breeder's responsibility to make sure they Breed only healthy, *papered* dogs which are free of genetic and temperament problems and guarentee this. They NEVER breed rescue dogs and/or dogs of unknown genetic background. Ensure their pups won't end up in an animal shelters by finding safe, committed, responsible homes for each pup BEFORE the pups are conceived. Take back their dogs if the homes don't work out (for the entire life of the dog). This means dogs could come back to you years after you sold them. They should Spay/neuter their puppies prior to sale or adoption so they won't contribute to the overpopulation problem. And the breeder should never sale puppies with full breeding agreements if they do not meet the standard or are pet quality.
There's a lot more I could say but I think this hits the high points.
I don't think I could complain about any of my puppy buyers. If I don't here from them, I usually send them a shout out once every 6 months, to see how their little guys are doing. The buyer is my favorite part. I have met so many wonderful and interesting people. I always try to remind them about reminding the groomer to get hair out of their ears, and just little things like that. I also, most definatley push feeding their pups a good food, like Nutro Ultra and Natural Balance. Don't consider them customers either, I try to feel a connection with each prospective parent of my pups. If I don't get a good feeling, I don't sale to them. The more litters you have the harder it is to research everyone, as well as socialize the pups themselves. I choose to stay small for these reasons.
I was going to add that I think it is important that the breeder educate the potential puppy purchasers. I think that is the breeder's job to make certain they know about their chosen breed before allowing them to take the pup or dog.
OK so far all I have read is that the breeder is responsible for making sure the puppy or dog goes to good home . Buyers have no responsibility to check out the breeder ? and if they do there limited because there in another state. Sorry all either can do is the best they can if they do there home work. Dont bother bashing me because it wont work . Are you a breeder .I am a BREEDER and BUYER and have spent days ,weeks even 2 yr.s finding the puppy (dog) for health expecially as well as for comformation quality. And things still has came up. and most of the time it was not the breeders fault . things do happen the is out of our control. sorry no popcorn for me. I'll take a coke and pizza
It is of upmost importance to have a OPEN working relationship with your puppy purchasers and be there for whenever there is a problem, concern or question. Whether your fault or theres. Too many breeders or whatever you may want to call them see dollar signs, grab the cash and then think that is where their responsibility ends. This is where trouble usually begins. And why it is important to have a contract and guarentee to outline problems that may arise down the road after the point of purchase. It goes without saying that most certainly if you promise something in your contracts or guarentees, abide by them. Contracts usually keeps most people in line.
Oh, no. I absolutely think a buyer should check out a breeder before buying from them! But I didn't understand that to be what this topic was about... It looked like it is about breeders selling to bad buyers. ANd I agree that breeders should NOT sell to bad buyers. I am not sure where you are going when you say , well, shouldn't the buyer check the breeder out? .... You are speaking from a breeder's standpoint. Imagine I was a parent looking for someone to adopt my child... I would do all necessary to be sure my child went to a great home... I wouldn't say, well they should have checked me out better... I guess I don't understand, Brook.
I also sale most pups from referrals, which I think is the best advertisement out there. I actually send the people who referred the prospective buyer to me a little gift for their dog as a big thank you, from me. I will most definately take any pup back. All my vets also know to call me if they get any small breed dogs brought in that need a home.
I agree to most of what is said hear.on the breeders part.100%
But the buyer has there place as well to do there home work before buying . I am sorry it is not all about money.Not saying there are parobably more breeders out there that it is the reason for being breeders .But there are a lot of good breeders alot. I wonder how many buyers ask a breeder why they breed dogs. In 19 yr's I could say maby 5. I am the one that brings it up. I as a breeder do my best to get a puppy when I have one I sell to go to good home but you can only do so much by phone .
As for having a dog fixed .depending on the person .what there intention is for the dog. If you are into showing .no can not be fixed. there would not be any dogs to show.
I to have made good friends threw buyer of a puppy .I have many years I stll hear from people and get pictures ,it is a great feeling that I had a part in this puppy being born and give some one so much happiness.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 7/27/2005 12:29:14 PM*** Reason: xx
Children that is up for adoption are in a safe place. We are not looking for corect breeding in people
at least half the people I have sold a puppy to has told me they messed up .not the breeder. They should have ask more questions or should have read more or listen to the breeder more. Sorry is jsut as much the responsibality of the buyer as much as the breeder. there are so much info out there jsut as this person just posted for buyers to do before buying a puppy. That tells you they need to do there part as well.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 7/27/2005 12:37:18 PM*** Reason: not necessary to start 4 new posts in a row
**I'll put a ** in front of what I ad to what you just said so it isn't confusing:
I agree to most of what is said hear.on the breeders part.100%
But the buyer has there place as well to do there home work before buying . ***I agree with that to a point, but how are they to know if they don't know breeders personally in their home area's or anyone who has purchased their chosen breed? Is there a place where it has all the Bad Breeders listed accurately? Do you see what I"m saying?
I am sorry it is not all about money.Not saying there are parobably more breeders out there that it is the reason for being breeders . But there are a lot of good breeders alot. ****uuuuhhh, I have no ideal what your saying here.
I wonder how many buyers ask a breeder why they breed dogs. In 19 yr's I could say maby 5. I am the one that brings it up. **** As far as this goes I think the average puppy purchaser would assume it is because you enjoy the breed. I don't think that is one of the important questions they should be concerned about. I think it is more important to inquire about the breeder's practices, health regimes, how many puppies they produce in a year's time, do they show and how many shows have they attended in the year? How many of their pups have been sold with breeding rights intact and how many has been spayed and neutered pets? Do they enforce spay and neuter? Will the breeder allow you to see all the dogs they have in their home and kennel and be open to questions? Can the breeder point out honestly the faults of the dog's they are selling? Do the dog's meet the AKC, UKC or whatever standards? If not the purchaser should be asking themselves why is this person breeding against the standard that they should be promoting? I'd personally run right there. No responsible and ethical breeder goes purposely goes against the standard. If they couldn't answer these questions and if I had a doubt I'd run as fas as I could and find another breeder.
I as a breeder do my best to get a puppy when I have one I sell to go to good home but you can only do so much by phone . *** Well, I think that is the point everyone is trying to make. That is the breeder's responsibility to make sure it is an appropiate home BEFORE they get the pup or dog.
As for having a dog fixed .depending on the person .what there intention is for the dog. If you are into showing .no can not be fixed. there would not be any dogs to show. *** but the point is are you or the breeder taking steps to prevent over population and not just sending every puppy out the door with intact breeding rights to every Joe blow that knocks on the door.
I think the reason more responsibility should be put on the breeder and not the buyer is because of ethics. The buyer is not trying to scam anyone. They are the consumer. They are trying to purchase something with their money. However, the breeder is the seller. They can potentially scam the buyer. It should be the sellers responsibility to sell what they are advertising, in this case, a puppy, and insure that the buyer is getting what they paid for. If a buyer gets a puppy with parvo, then that is the sellers fault, not the buyers. And the seller has every right to complain. Or at least get to return the puppy. This is what a consumer would do in any other situation. Ever return something faulty in a store? Same principle.